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"Social implications" angle is quite straightforward,

- to the informed, a device like this should not be necessary. It did not exist because it was never required, and where a desire for mobile screenspace is required, better solutions have existed for a long time. I define "better" as "less hinges", "more optional", "cheaper", and ideas along this dimension. A skilled engineer carrying this without an extraordinary reason would automatically strike me as a deeply impractical person, thus limiting the trust I would be willing to place in them. I appreciate trying to push boundaries, but the instant interpretation is that it could only be intended as something like a souped up Mini Cooper covered in blinking LEDs and under-the-hood neon lighting.

- to the uninformed, a laptop like this basically scares normal people away. One of the greatest accomplishments of the technology industry in the past 10 years is that regular people now carry laptops. There is no longer any reason to stand out, so it is even more noteworthy than ever before when one explicitly chooses to stand out (we lost our "special case" rights no later than 2010). You can pack an 8-core workstation with 16TB of NVMe in a perfectly useful and unobtrusive device the average person might only suspect were slightly outdated. The tone set by this device would be the same as wheeling a minicomputer into a coffee shop in the mid 1980s -- outlandish, curious, unaware of social norms. It would be as if you'd willingly dress in a neon pink 80s shell suit out of a desire to avoid being hit by passing cars, when the alternative is simply to stay on the sidewalk.

Social norms matter. They open doors just as easily as they slam doors shut. And this laptop most certainly would have people saying "no" more often in relative terms than they might say "yes" to you, much as turning up to a business meeting wearing that neon shell suit rather than a formal jacket would in most scenarios.

I hope this helps

It's a valid concern, but please don't interpret the comment as snark. Speaking as an engineer, in absolute terms the competence of someone (or lack thereof) is clearly signalled with a setup like this. Perhaps it may have been better phrased in these terms.

Similarly, the second comment regarding what I believe many would agree are obvious social implications arising from a device like this could also have been better phrased. Isn't it also a rule on HN to treat all comments as being made in good faith where multiple interpretations exist? In any case I apologise for the phrasing, it was rather blunt and certainly somewhat off the point, but I also believe it captured important sentiments that would have been difficult to conjure with alternative phrasing.

Price/perf of this is hidden by the tiny slice of hardware you get. Equivalent to my Hetzner machine would be 116 Euro/mo. before accounting for the 10x higher peak bandwidth, 2x capacity dedicated NVMe, 4TB of magnetic storage and 100GB of backup space I get for 60 Euro/mo.

I have no idea what "1 vCPU" means in this context but severely doubt it even means "1 hyperthread", unless the physical hardware were something like dual 16 core or single 32 core chips.

Definite pass

A single PCIe lane can draw 0.5 A, 4x rises to 2 A.

Separately, (random top Google result cutpaste):

    Architectural-level power optimization can target different system
    components such as CPU, caches, main memory,and buses [5, 6, 22, 4]. Power
    spent in off-chip buses can be a significant portion of the overall power
    budget. As an example, the core power consumption of Intel Celeron at
    266MHz is 16W, while its off-chip bus (for a standard configuration)
    operating at 133 MHz consumes 3.3W [12, 13]. The contribution of off-chip
    bus power consumption to the overall power budget increases even more for
    embedded systems with low-power processor cores and memories, making
    off-chip  buses  a  potential  candidate  for  power  optimization. Figure
    1 shows the power consumption due to off-chip data bus for several embedded
    benchmark codes as a percentage of the overall power consumption (which
    includes processor data path, caches, buses, TLB, register file,
    instruction issue logic, clock, and off-chip memory) for an
    embedded processor.  From this figure, we see that the off-chip data bus
    consumes between 9.8% and 23.2% of the total power consumed by the system
    depending on the benchmark being run. So, reducing the power consumption
    of the off-chip data bus would reduce the overall power consumption of
    the system to a considerable extent

Generally speaking you can choose either power efficiency or a wide bus, but rarely both. If you want a crappy underpowered m.2 slot, probably Intel Atom is the cheapest route.

High performance ARM with m.2 PCI, not sure, but guessing if it's around it probably isn't cheap

As it happens, tabbing around a badly designed form often doesn't work correctly. Then there are UI with hundreds of focusable inputs where while tabbing might work correctly, is extremely cumbersome and slow to use.

This is not to suggest replacing a keyboard with a touchscreen, any more than suggest a keyboard is no longer required since a mouse or trackpad is available. It's just an additional form of input, and one I'd personally definitely miss.

I probably use it for around 10-15% of navigation and scrolling on web sites. It's not a case of "I'm on a web site designed for a touch device, I will therefore now start poking the screen", but more along the lines of noticing it'd be much quicker to work a sequence of buttons by touch than by tap.

Touch is definitely much faster to get through certain styles of forms. The first that came to mind where I'd often tend to touch is the TFL (Transport for London) journey planner.

Jobs famously said quite strongly that they'd never do one. There is a video around of him justifying it due to the user's hands getting too tired https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=S9ZJHy8QOso .

After 12 years on Macs I picked up a touchscreen PC and would simply never go back to a non-touch machine, it is not essential, but it is incredibly convenient. Why shouldn't it be possible to touch rather than tap when appropriate? After a few months selecting an appropriate option for any particular input is totally natural and subconscious. I have no idea why noting the lack of touch on a Mac should be considered "biased".