micahbright

I'm angry you want to force me to contribute - you douche. I've been contributing to the poor my whole life

I like how you turn a voluntary charitable contribution into forcing other people to pay. If you aren't poor, you should already be making contributions to the poor since you have such high moral standards.

Only if it's a king and you lay diagonally. Try a California King

"It seemed like he cherry-picked research that agreed with his views and didn’t seek dissenting research or opinions before sending the document to internal Google groups." - The purpose of posting this memo was to seek dissenting research and other opinions.

Pure gold. This is exactly what I was thinking when I read that.

I'm sure you can come up with a better argument. Assuming men are sexist and that you have to prove yourself to them is plainly hypocritical.

Fact: women and men have varying distributions in abilities and traits - due to biology

Fact: women and men aren't distributed equally in tech and leadership.

And your conclusion is that anyone who presents these facts and says that maybe one causes the other means that women are "less suited" for engineering?

There is no logical basis for this. He didn't say what you are attributing to him.

why should any woman have to overcome the additional barrier of proving that she’s not like other women.

Well, she only has to prove it to men that she assumes are sexist or incapable of understanding population distributions. I mean, really? Let's fight sexism with sexism.

Furthermore, simply look for interviewers who tend to reject women and minorities more often. Remove them from the interviewer pool.

The still existing pay gap for men and women, when women make 105% of what men make for the same job title and experience?

You need to study more.

So, for reference, after taxes a single person takes home what? $80k. That's about $6,666 per month, leaving $2666 after paying rent. That's not including food. Also for reference, when I lived in a South American country, rent was running about $400 a month, but even if it was $700, wouldn't you be doing better in South America? You can't ignore the fact that food and services are extraordinarily cheaper due to the lower cost of living.

Seriously, the evidence is quite clear that this attitude is complete nonsense and only works for people that have certain advantages already.

Ahem... citation needed

Interesting perspective, but:

I’m not remotely surprised, however, that Damore naturally assumes the differences between typically female and male traits mean that men are more skilled.

He never said or implied that. The whole problem is people overreacting about what they read in to it.

Ironic, coming at the heels of Google firing someone for being "anti-diversity".

So, to bring things full circle:

Are you saying it's necessary or desirable to lower the bar for people to fill quotas, however, when someone writes something that you obviously haven't read or understood, it's rightful that they should be terminated for those opinions that you don't even seem to have grasped. I mean, you do realize that "trying to use provable false statements to create a toxic work environment for one third of your coworkers is a PR disaster" is utterly false.

Differences in distributions of traits between men and women may in part explain why we don’t have 50% representation of women in tech and leadership.

You're saying this implies that the author thinks women working at Google perform worse than men at Google?

I just want to make sure I understand exactly what you mean, and for anyone who is reading what was written above, this might clarify.

At what point does saying things ... starts becoming 'creating a hostile work environment'?

Certainly well known, supported, and referenced scientific facts, are not creating a hostile work environment. The fact that he was treated that way suggests that it is in fact a "thought crime".

It's weird, but this is all pretty well known stuff in the fields from which he refers. And, as obsessed as we are with instilling diversity in everything, why even common people don't know these things who knows?

and then present the conclusions that asians in professional basketball perform worse than others (exactly what this individual attempted to do with women)

Could you quote exactly the line where he "attempted to do the same with women who work at Google"?

That would be pure gold. I read the memo, but I don't recall that part.

I'm thinking, one of us may have our blinders one. I just want you to do the work since it is your claim, and it's a 10 page memo.

Employment isn't a protected right.

Nice - you just proved that diversity programs are unnecessary with far fewer words than James Damore.

"But, you're wrong. Far more men than women are perpetrators of domestic violence, and far more women than men are the victims of domestic violence. This is true for crimes of sexual violence, and for stalking." I refuted your claim with a well sourced article(it is quoting more than just the CDC, which I have already pointed out is highly biased).

http://www.saveservices.org/2012/02/cdc-study-more-men-than-...

But like I said - if you use funding to report violence against men, you won't ever get any more funding. So, you can bring out all the statistics funded for violence against women, but you have a systemic imbalance here. And there is sufficient evidence that it needs further investigation.

According to Dr. B. H. Hoff's (2012, National Study CDC/DOJ) Report on the National Violence Against Women Survey (notice there's no report on violence against men as anyone who spent money on such research would never be funded again - that's not an assumption, it's spelled out in print), 42.3% of victimized men, over 2 million men, are subjected to "severe physical violence" every year.

Actually, there is some research showing women are equally physically violent in domestic situations. Men just go to jail more. But, anyone will point out that if black men go to jail more than white men, it means there is a systemic bias against black men.

I've seen several comments flagged for no reason - what they have in common is that they cogently refute liberal ideology

Hacker news is an absolute shithole full of liberal pinheads, with a few libertarians thrown in. It's amazing that you can be capable of programming and not be able to see the forest for the trees.

There's actually a complete set of research showing that men as a group pay all taxes in the US and women as a group pay no taxes and receive all benefits. I've read it all before, I just couldn't find it.

Because paternity leave is far less common than maternity leave. Because women expect to be supported during and after pregnancy.

Whoa, people value things higher than or equal to what they pay for them(unless there is coercion as in the case of paying health insurance premiums in the US). In other words, price must be lower than or equal to value.

I haven't. Just wanted to add my anecdote, so that it gets counted when they do a meta-study of hacker news comments.

This could be due to women being less likely to negotiate salary which has an effect not only on themselves but on every other worker in the industry.

It could also be due to men leaving industries that have ongoing lowering of wages.