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I didn't. I created an account for discussion.

But I'm not asking for a comprehensive list, I'm asking what people are afraid to say. I think it's incredibly disingenuous to claim oppression, but also be unwilling to discuss it any further. I also think it does nothing to help the situation.

The obvious answer is "I voted for trump". But then of course, why?

Well, I was on his side until now.

This used to be uncontroversial

Lots of things used to be uncontroversial. Get with the times.

Delegation, sign he deserves a promotion.

Have you really never worked on a project where the golden boy was the face of everything and everyone else was ignored?

For some reason Indians aren't Asian enough to be called Asian.

Except they grew up their and the flora, fauna, etc... feels more like home.

People who move from California to Seattle complain constantly about how horrible the weather is, for example.

I think that's a little unfair to characterize the Chinese government as uniquely nefarious

It's not at all. We can still criticize the US government for their actions.

You actually couldn't do that in China.

I'm not. I want no part of living under totalitarianism.

Huh, it is kind of hard to make an argument for the self evidence of our inalienable rights.

Especially int he context of talking to someone who lives with tyranny and doesn't really care.

but projection of societal norms is kinda silly.

It's not when you are talking about basic human rights. China is wrong about this.

a lot of younger Americans have adopted a sort of dark, distorted view of history that casts the US as a villainous entity

Or they have adopted a realistic view of history. The US has done loads of shitty things.

They have never had stalin like purges or a hitler like dictator.

An educated person, old or young, might look at Iran and be less likely to think "horrible regime hell bent on the destruction of Israel and the west" and more likely to think "huh, we probably shouldn't have fucked with their government decades ago".

Also that whole thing about voting being worth less for huge chunks of the country. Oh, and getting constantly screwed over by previous generations.

Being cynical doesn't make you naive.

It's really confounding to me that the younger generations seems to have such a hard time with this.

Oh look, more ageism on hacker news.

Disagreement shouldn't lead to downvote

Actually PG said the opposite. I used to have the comment saved, but lost it in a format.

Anyway, people also downvote because they are sick of talking about this.

Yeah, amazing what can happen when you make an argument poorly and without thought to how your audience will react.

Oh but citations. Good for you, that's a good bit of research. Sure the facts seem cherry picked and don't necessarily support your conclusions. You also presented them in an entirely tone deaf manner, you seem to imply a number of negative things, you perpetuated stereotypes, and you didn't explore any possible alternative explanations, but you definitely cited some research papers. B+ for effort, F for execution.

F as in fired with cause.

Equally qualified is generally taken to mean they have comparable skills accross a broad spectrum of criteria. Maybe Al knows a bit more about vue.js but Marcy knows react. If I'm doing a project in Vue and I give Al more to do that's fine.

But say I'm doing a project in Java and they are about equal, I keep giving Al the meaty work then use it justify a promotion, which I can't justify for Marcy. It's not that she's that much worse, I just never gave her the chance to prove it (blah blah peter principle, perform at next level, etc...). That just might be a bit sexist.

social sciences

You aren't allowed to reference social science studies because their aren't enough conservatives to make those fields "fair".

Women want children earlier (because menopause)

women need to have children earlier.

I don't see 70 year old men eagerly having kids all that often. Most people want to live to see their grandchildren.

I'm generalising, obviously, so "on average" everywhere.

"I have black friends"

Conservatives: "fair" is more important than factual or correctness.

As an aside I feel much less comfortable arguing this point after checking out your personal site and seeing that you write Debian packages. I really enjoy Debian, especially the reproducible builds work that's going on over there. I respect your opinions on this matter.

Are you trying to mkae some sort of point?

especially when you consider that 95% of the professors in that field of study lean left.

But they do research that should be repeatable and thus it doesn't matter.

Unless you think they have implicit bias.

Because women's lives revolve around maximizing their value to husbands.

Yup, sounds completely reasonable.

Hey, how come so many more women become doctors now? High stress job, takes a long time, I don't think it's any more "attractive" then being a nurse.

I'm gonna go ahead and say that this line of thinking is sexist. I'm not trying to attack you I just think it needs to be said because I think it's actively harmful. It ignores any other reasons behind the gap, and it's a terrible line of thinking for anyone who manages women. "I don't know if I should give her this role, women aren't really suited for leadership".

China is far more unwelcoming to hard-working immigrants

I'm sorry, I thought we based policy on what we thought was right and not what totalitarian regimes in other countries do.

Maybe try comparing to Canada or other comparable democracies instead.

Actually it's pretty easily provable, you just need diversity numbers.

Doesn't explain the "why" though.

But immigration should be a two way street

Why?

if people decide to stay in the US they should try to assimilate

oh I see.

Apparently hte people who come to the US for school and try to live and work here right alongside you and me (white guy) aren't trying hard enough to assimilate.

BTW, I'm an Indian citizen on H1B and I'm saying this

So? You're criticizing chinese people pretty explicitly. Don't try to hide behind your race.

We only allow 65,000 people to work in large corporations

per year. There are many many more than that on H-1B. Plus you have OPT and L1.

The bigger issue is being on an H-1B kind of sucks. If you get fired you're screwed. It's hard to maximize value because switching employers is a pain. You have people who accuse you constantly of being a low paid scrub stealing american jobs. You have the risk that the US government might pull the rug out from under you somehow.

Chinese and Indian people have to put up with this for years. Decades in the case of Indians.

US is incredibly unwelcoming to hard-working immigrants and provides no reliable path to citizenship or permanent residency besides fraudulent marriage.

From India and China (and a couple other places, to a lesser degree). If you were born in another country and get an H-1B (which is a pretty terrible system) you can get a green card in a couple years.

I don't mean this from a US nationalist or political perspective - I'm merely speculating on the economics.

"I'm just asking questions"

Conservative socially does not have much to do with religion

It does in the US. Absolutely does.

sadly leaving

Why is it sad? They get to go back home instead of on the other side of the planet from the place they grew up, and they don't have to give up nearly as much to do it.

Good for them.

My China-born colleagues seem to in general be more conservative, and Silicon Valley has become violently intolerant of anyone that holds an opinion different than the predominant view

Had to get that "oppressed conservatives" narrative in.

I keep asking what views people are so intolerant of. Tend not to get real answers.

They are actively trying to pass laws on this.

You don't believe in equal pay for equal work?

You believe in ageism?

Whereas fox remains as steadfastly committed to propaganda as ever.

CBS should fire that guy.