kgrad

I am sorry if you are offended by my ignorance. I am not currently arguing that the flash player provided by adobe is open. I conceded a while ago that the flash player provided by adobe is proprietary. However, an alternate flash player exists and you can program SWF without ever touching an Adobe product. There is a spec and open tools for doing so. I was simply under the impression that Flash was open minus Adobes implementation and am trying to see why everyone is saying it is not.

edit: I don't understand why me disagreeing with you automatically makes me a troll. People are quick to jump on people who don't agree with their viewpoints.

I don't work for adobe, nor do I even code in flash. I am just ignorant on the subject and wish to be enlightened.

edit: it's also not my first day commenting, I just forgot my old account and had to make a new one a little while ago.

edit: apparently adobe did open the RTMP spec? http://www.adobe.com/devnet/rtmp/

How does Gnash being built without Adobe tools do anything but further proving that you don't have to use adobe products to use/work with flash?

I am not claiming with authority that Flash is open, I am just trying to see how it is closed. So far it looks open to me.

I'm not even a Flash developer, so please forgive me if I am not understanding properly.

Thanks for the link, you are certainly correct that adobes player is proprietary, but I provided you with a link to an alternate player... Just because something is hard to reproduce doesn't make it closed. Do you consider java closed because Sun/Oracle makes the best applet viewer?

I am not trying to say Adobe is guilt free or anything, but it looks to me like they are making it as open as they can, unless I am missing something.

Which part of the definition does flash violate? Also, Apple doesn't give much credit to KDE with WebKit, they certainly like to imply that they are very open with it without mentioning its origins...

Can you qualify that statement? edit: You are correct, the player provided by Adobe is not open.

However, anyone is free to make their own player, one alternative player is Gnash: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnash

Could someone please explain to me how Flash isn't open? To my knowledge, everything about flash is open other than Adobe's IDE. The spec has been released, the sdk is OSS and anyone is free to compile to SWF... Am I mistaken here?