kLeeIsDead

This is just..... wow. It's like you're talking to a wall.

I think I'm done contributing to this site. Thank you for showing me the light.

Whoops. I probably should have proofread my comment before submitting. Your response seems almost nonsensical now that I've butchered my original post D: Sorry about that.

Am I missing something here? Paying $1000/mo rent for a remote space seems insane. At best, that's 15% of your take-home salary. You're basically forcing yourself to work 15% more than you would without an office.

I'd take the extra 15% of free time over the hit in the "socialness" of my office space. I can get that social fix during that time instead.

Uh..... I don't disagree with you, but you're responding to something I didn't even say....

One could dismiss your 7-phase plan with a similar argument.

Heh, the web. The only platform where it's considered normal to use elaborate workarounds for problems that have been solved decades ago

so..... if 200 people decide to stay (out of the millions that left), then you're right and i'm wrong. guess i can't argue with that logic.

One could claim that in a true dystopia the rich would just make it so insufferable that the poor leave as economic refugees.

that is literally happening right now.

This is a pretty bad attitude to have.

This is a very misinformed opinion.

Over the years I've noticed the south bay culture spreading up to SF and Oakland, and down to Santa Cruz. They haven't been hit as bad as Palo Alto and San Jose, but I'm afraid that the culture will continue to spread as long as the software industry continues to be lucrative (and other industries become less so).

Well then, let me know when you've managed to do that.

The second point is the only valid defense of the DOM, in my opinion. It's just a static document formatting language. And it should have stayed that way. Webpages like the one we're on right now should have been the furthest it went.

A framebuffer?

As someone who has stayed far away from the perils of web development, will this be the step that finally makes it sane again? I figure the sooner the DOM + JavaScript/EMCAScript die the better; and with asm.js and WebGL I thought that day finally came... but nope. 3 years later we're still scuttling around bad design decisions of over two decades ago.

It's usually just a specialized phishing service.

Note to self: Continue never buying used Android phones.

FTFY.

I think it's completely useless. The only results I care about are in the long term (30+ years). This is essentially a 2 year salary giveaway. Not even close to UBI.

You're making an awful lot of assumptions there.

Jesus... I wouldn't want to have dinner with you.

And, in my opinion, the test would be useless if it had a time limit attached to it.

People born into wealth aren't guaranteed that. After all, it's their parents' money, not theirs.

There is no acceptable limit. It should be for life, or longer.

Ah, interesting. I'm German too. Unfortunately all my ties to Germany have been severed when my Oma died.

FWIW, it's not the "migrant" part in itself that irritates me. It's the whole thing, "migrant workaholics". I hate the people who moved to my hometown for the sole reason to make money and go back to their home country, with no intention to integrate.

That's the exact same one as the first line in the OP, if you bothered to click the link

Get out more, I guess?

I don't think I'm getting my point across correctly. Sure. There are niches in the bay area that are great, and I'm sure I'd meet many interesting people there, if I decided to stay.

However, there's a certain point where enough is enough. It's not like this problem I'm describing is just the effect of a one-off bubble that will go away soon. It is going to get worse and worse; like it has always been. Housing prices / COL are going to go up and people are going to be constantly forced out of their homes and have to relocate and compromise. If you fuck up in your career or make one bad move with your finances, you are done. Bye bye bay area. If it doesn't happen to you it will definitely happen to your friends. It's just a horrible existence and I am honestly baffled you don't see this despite living there your whole life. The only way I could conceive of you not seeing this is if you and your friends have something like $2M saved up and don't need to worry about finances.

I've lived in San Jose from birth to 19 years old (worked one year at a startup) and I can see where you're coming from, but you must be blind if you have no idea what I'm talking about. The friendships I cultivated while growing up there are sacred, but those friendships would have been impossible if I didn't meet them while growing up. If I moved to SJ from somewhere else at 19+ I know I would be miserable, because like it or not most people are exactly like I described in my original comment. The type of people we grew up with and the type of people who migrate here are VASTLY DIFFERENT. Thankfully you and me could avoid them, since we were "fortunate" enough to grow up in the south bay. I'm thankful for my unique experience, but it's just that: a unique experience.

As far as SF goes, I was talking about 5-6 years ago. I've heard its way worse these days. And it's going to keep getting worse, because the south bay is a cancer. It wasn't until I moved away when I realized that.

The crazy part about it is it's just going to get worse and worse. I was born and raised in SJ... since the 80s this tech stuff has been slowly building on top of itself like some sort of tumor, and the city does absolutely nothing to stop the gentrification and overall shittyness of the money-money-money mindset from taking over. I'm 23 now, most of my friends and 100% of my parents friends (lived there since the 60s) have moved out because of the constant influx of migrant workaholics.

It's given me a very cynical view on life. I really don't know where else to move, I feel like I need to leave the country as well, or at least leave California. Where are you going, if you don't mind me asking?

When he said "mind work", I took it as the constant, 24 hour stress I experienced while living there. Which sometimes is completely unrelated to work.

The insane commutes, the work culture, the high rent / COL, the culture of trying to look as rich/smart/successful as possible, the sue happy people, the fact that there's absolutely nothing else to do other than work, etc really wore down on me.

I lived in the south bay though... admittedly it seemed slightly better in SF. Less money grobbing and more hipsters. But it looks like all that is going out the window very quickly. The south bay culture is spreading like a cancer.