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For the record, I’m not saying this particular loser on twitter will ever have the power to institute a dictatorship.

But it is insane to say that EA and rationalism* are not about believing you are superior and more rational than your peers, or that most EA/rats don’t make an identity out of it (look at any of their online presences). Anthropic literally exists to funnel money and influence to its EA/rat cofounders and early investors, who sincerely believe that they and they alone are smart and rational enough to shepherd our society through its “technological adolescence”. I wish people who agree with this would at least be honest about it.

https://xcancel.com/tenobrus/status/2023473440364392850#m

Most of the inhabitants of this forum myself included are now pulsating, leeching tumors off the side of human progress and the world would be better off without us. Those that think “they” have 10xed their output just have not realized it yet.

We’re all neets in the near future lol

Don’t worry, the next model will do that for you too

The only reflection that matters, now, is that every company that sells software for money is now a confidence game. How long can you con your users into believing they have any reason not to type the 5-word prompt “recreate <product> make no mistakes” and cut you, the middle man, out?

Hell yeah we have automated planning a trip now so we can focus on the fun things in life like… uh…

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I would guess that our near future includes mass suicide on an unprecedented scale. I have a spot picked out, at least.

I think his point is that “human empowerment vs disempowerment”, in the long term, is itself a fight that only one side can win.

As far as I can tell many people, especially tech practitioners, are as a whole desperate to believe that there is an iron law of the universe that “technological progress” is always a net good. Maybe there are some bumps along the way, but you can’t make an omelette…

The next couple of years will see these people contorting themselves into increasingly complex knots to try and argue that AI is making the world a better place. The arguments will get far weirder, and far more detached from reality, than bad comparisons to agricultural labor.

Good to know we can maybe count on the government to send us a few 1000 dollar checks on the way to the human zoo.

So you don’t believe in AGI then?

The definition of AGI?

In this case there is, by definition, no “medical and health services manager” or “data scientist” in the future. Nothing comes next.

Then we should strive to give more people a chance at greater self-determination, not the opposite.

How do people still conflate “sectoral changes in the labor market” with “humans become zoo animals”? The scale just seems fundamentally different.

Zoo animals don’t get to decide what their cage looks like.

Maybe you value freedom of movement — too bad, the unruly humans start killing each other when they stray too far from home, so now you get a 10 mile radius.

Maybe you value the environment or other species - too bad, the most efficient way to serve humanity is to toss them into the meat grinder.

Maybe you’re not interested in the one-way Mars mission - too bad, we need to expand society and your name popped up in the lottery.

And maybe, at the end, the benevolent aligned mother figure realizes that it’s much easier to create lives of endless bliss by doing the matrix instead of keeping the real world habitable.

Maybe these are all net positive on your utilitarian value function of choice. All I can say is I hope you and your people fucking lose.

I’m all set thanks

I think we lost the chance to have any scenario other than this one the moment Dean Ball got put in charge of policy at OpenAI.

of course there’s things we could do on a societal level. nothing’s actually inevitable. but we won’t do anything, because the normative argument (we’re condemning people to die of cancer if we don’t put all our resources into the fastest possible AI development) will win every time.

Cope

All the people happy about this are just holding back the progress of our species smh.

won’t someone think of the lightcone!

lol the next generation won’t be working in startups or anywhere else, all we have now is to hope and pray that we get a nice corner of the human zoo

Can't wait for AI to bring the prices of all goods to near zero :)

By the way, these are the people who techno-optimists believe are going to take care of you in the post labor future.

I made a specific point, you didn’t like it. I’m not saying this from some sort of inferiority complex, it is literally a product category that is probably going to be announced in an OpenAI blog post in the next 12-24 months or at the next Google IO.

why do you welcome this?

I… don’t…

There is going to be more demand, not less.

Every time. Shake an AI optimist and you find an AI skeptic.

Probably correct :)

I don’t know or particularly care what “anti-AI” thought leaders think. I don’t get my views from a camp.

The person above believes that in a year, or 3 years, or 10 years that they will remain an “operator” of the AI, and that their creativity will be amplified at the expense of the dumb luddites who will be left in the dust. Very common in tech, more disappointing in the arts. This is incorrect - we will in short order on the current trajectory see cognitive “dark factories” announced by hyperscalers or labs that produce an infinite stream of content, or software, or anything else and rapidly outcompete all human endeavor. To some this is Human Progress, to me it’s a dark age.

How about when you’re 53 and unemployed on subsistence UBI?