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It's not even worth speculating on that at this point, the sources are so poor.

They're citing "their friend" and posting other stuff from the daily mail. Like... No.

Hmmm, lots of people disputing it on there.

Not to say it isn't necessarily untrue, but some guy on twitter saying "my friend says so" isn't very convincing. Bigly if true though!

There's a pdf here if anyone else is interested:

https://www.yorku.ca/science/research/schalljd/wp-content/up...

Yeah all that criticism doesn't go into any detail about actual methodological flaws or issues with the results... It just complains about language and is pretty sanctimonious for such weak and generic citations. Like, those are the sort of citations I'd give as an undergrad and trying to pad a paper to make it seem more authoritative and well established than it is lol.

Were any of the criticisms NOT centered around their irresponsible use of language and about the actual methodology and results? How they cultured different neurons to play pong is pretty amazing by itself to me.

Come on, give examples please don't leave me hanging! I think the Mafia are sick fucks, but lots of governments have been too. No shortage of violence in this pit of animals on this stupid space rock.

But thousands of times more gruesome than that!? That's wild. I've watched Cartel vids where they slice open and expose the vocal cords laterally as their victims wail, creating otherworldly sounds.

But that's like... MAYBE 0.5x as gruesome as torturing some poor helpless child or tossing infant into a barrel of acid. So if you've got stuff that's 1000x as gruesome, I can't even comprehend! Please post.

As the premier Ivy League authority on the inner-workings of Cartels, I can definitively say that our illustrious Ivy League institutions only happen to appear like a Cartel to the very, very stupid and uneducated (eg. People who couldn't attend).

It is quite an amazing psycho-social phenomena, inextricably linked to a low SES and impoverished social capital; I hope to secure a grant to make my PhD students shit out a bunch of papers with my name on it soon.

Don't worry, all the confounding variables have been accounted for. We can't release any raw data though, so sorry but it's to protect confidentiality. Could we reasonably anonymize the data? Oh nooooo, I'm so sorry you're breaking u --

Wow, I am so sorry...

It must be really difficult living in an area of the world where the Government tortures your child, dismembers them with a chainsaw, and dissolves them in a barrel of acid if you don't pay your taxes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lupara_bianca#Examples

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Man... I just find neural connectomes so depressing.

It's like looking at the copper wiring on the motherboard, or the pins of the CPU, when what you really want is the logic from the networked gates (transistors).

Yet it seems we are many, many decades away from being able to extract that in any comprehensible or definitive way.

I need to stop reading neuroscience articles. There's always big proclamations, Like "the neural circuitry behind arithmetic has been discovered!" then you dig into the meat and it's mostly guesswork and hypothesis based on correlated activity and connectivity, no logic to be seen.

This paper did blow my mind though, I hope to see more creative stuff like it:

https://www.cell.com/neuron/fulltext/S0896-6273(22)00806-6?_...

pdf here:

https://www.cell.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0896-6273%2822%2900...

Oh... then was chatGPT used to come up with the idea?

I just don't understand why it would be on the front page without AI??

Yeah I don't get any either. I also don't think they're selling your data (or if they are, they're very bad at it) because my targeted ads don't reflect my activity on their OS...

Unlike my android phone. My youtube ads change noticeably in response to whatever I've recently googled, it's very unsettling how dialed in they are.

My daily driver is Linux though. I do agree that's what you should be using if you want to be free of these dystopian shenanigans.

I have a question about Siri that I don't want to risk testing...

If you tell her "OH FUCK SIRI THERES SOMEONE IN THE HOUSE CALL 911 OH SHIIIIT!!!!"

Will siri use her chastizing tone not to speak to her that way and ignore you?

I feel like it would be hillarious if she did. She's also dumb as a bag of rocks in my experience so I suspect she would. Bitch can't even reliably play podcasts.

Yeah you can google it, it's a real program that Alexa will notify you of sometimes (if you're in a participating region), just like the other ads, sorry, "reminders" it serves.

You're citing gross profits, when what you actually want to look at is net income, no? For 2022 that was about 6 billion.

So now we're talking about a 12.5% increase in wages, in exchange for the entirety of the net profits.'

The best part is that it is common practice not to give people full-time hours so that they don't qualify for benefits. So I imagine of those 2M employees, a huge amount aren't exactly getting a living wage even after that 12.5% increase.

Yes, in a more practical sense, to quote Liu Cixin, "If I destroy you, what business of it of yours?"

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/7216658-if-i-destroy-you-wh...

In a similar sense, can you reasonably object to being eaten by a man-eating tiger?

We create corporations who's utmost responsibility is feduciary in nature, we make capital the lifeblood of our society, and then act shocked and horrified when capital trumps human life, and corporate interests hold similar priorities?

Seriously. How did anyone think gutting the workforce and the ability to do safety inspections in a reasonable manner would turn out in any other way? How did the regulatory agencies think this was acceptable? The quote by Cixin is the only explanation.

That disaster I cited in Quebec was many years ago, yet a scathing report was released that effectively nothing has been done to meaningfully/substantially regulate the railways. An entire town was wiped from the map. What business is it of theirs if they are ground to dust by industry? Ultimately we are all meat for the machine :)

Counterpoint:

America is so rich and powerful precisely BECAUSE it maximizes efficiency and capital. Gutting all of those jobs and making it so that they only have 30 seconds to inspect each car (which is pretty much impossible to do due diligence) makes it so that they can rake in a ton of cash.

Sure, accidents will go up. Small little towns will find themselves doused in carcinogens or burned to the ground (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lac-M%C3%A9gantic_rail_disaste...). Politicians will use it for photo ops. Yet a small group of key individuals will amass a ton of capital and, therefore, power. They can then use that to create more businesses and ventures that will be just as ruthless and driven to succeed at all costs.

I don't think it's "gutting" America. On the contrary, I think it's the heart of America, and what makes it so powerful and hegemonic. You don't make a scientific and cultural powerhouse omelette without breaking a few eggs.

I bet you also think that cutting executive salaries would somehow make major corporations like McDonalds be able to pay all of their workers a living wage. I would encourage you to do the math on that -- it literally never works out.

Hate to dumb down this interesting conversation, but... You guys talk to yourselves when you're alone?

When I'm alone I kind of like... stop existing? It's made me come to the conclusion that our identity hugely depends on social constructs and our relationships with others.

I have thoughts but they're definitely not conversational. It's like, "me hungry, want lasagna" or thinking about mathematical/programming concepts, or "I should read more about this" or "I'm sad/happy this happened."

Somebody help me out here... please give me an example of how you talk to yourself when you are alone? What is that like? You have an actual dialogue with another entity that is also you? It's very hard for me to wrap my head around.

edit: Nevermind found an answer... It's from "psychology today" which I know is not the best, but it seems to cite an actual study and be by an actual psychologist.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/pristine-inner-exper...

Seems the experience of inner monologues/dialogues has a huge amount of variation and isn't well understood. Neat!

I guess we can include Seneca was an inner-monologue-er. So you guys think to yourselves but whenever you change your mind you experience it as some sort of conversation with yourself happening. Cool.

No problem! Just a heads up that one thing I've noticed about Wikipedia articles on philosophers is that they're not super accessible, and sometimes go on weird tangents.

Like moral imperatives are essential to understanding Kantian Deontology, but the wikipedia article on it goes on a weird tangent about a "Global Economic Moral Imperative," which I have never head of before and is absolutely not something somebody trying to wrap their head around Kantian moral philosophy should be distracted with. I'm kind of annoyed it's even on there, it's absolutely not something Kant ever talked about.

If you want a better highly detailed resource I would recommend the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy at https://plato.stanford.edu

But if that's too much (it is VERY detailed)... I can highly recommend chatGPT. For whatever reason it genuinely excels at philosophy. I've used it to discuss different absurdist philosophers before and it did an excellent job, which surprised me because I find it to be otherwise unreliable for a lot of subjects.

You can ask it to compare and contrast philosophies like Utilitarianism, social contractionism, deontology, etc, and tell it to simplify or summarize things, it is impressive how good it is.

Another approach is, also surprisingly, Youtube!

The channel PBS Crash Course Philosophy is at the level of an introductory philosophy course at a University and has good episodes on concepts like Kant's Categorical Imperatives (a favorite of mine):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bIys6JoEDw

Also the channel the School of Life has fun little overviews of different philosophers that I can vouch for like this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxrmOHJQRSs

And for longer format documentaries the BBC has great documentaries like this one on Nietzche that are similarly entertaining:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9f1F5jUzaM

So I would recommend trying these different resources and seeing what combination you like.

It was just getting way too long lol. I rarely see comments that length on this site. I could get some of my old university readings for you if you're interested? They come from a science and ethics course, there were some really good discussions on what makes animal research ethical, varying from it never being ethical, to it being ethical only if certain precautions are taken (minimizing pain, treating animals with dignity, not using them on frivolous things like cosmetics, etc.).

edit: there are also just SO many ways moral philosophies start to diverge at that point. Like we're talking about what is "necessary" animal experimentation. It's an important question, and one that really does boil down to a personal exercise.

Like... Personally I have no idea how to answer it. If you remove animal experimentation, well there goes a bunch of carcinogen studies which could result in a lot of human suffering. I also would need to do a ton of research to figure out if BCI research is at a level where primate brains are necessary instead of simpler organisms.

I also need to examine my own lifestyle, since hypocrisy severely undermines moral positions and having integrity/cogent beliefs and actions is essential if we are to engage with these subjects honestly.

For example, personally I have sometimes consumed meat in the last year (although I generally avoid it). Supporting factory farming absolutely violates my deontological moral imperative that "it is wrong to cause unnecessary suffering to others", in a ton of different ways. So who am I to espouse views on how people should behave with regards to animal research, when my own behaviour is in such a state of disarray?

Anyways... Getting pretty long again lol. Hope that response is helpful I know it's a bit rambling.

To be fair, technically it becomes ethical when your position is that "the end justifies the means."

IMO Utilitarianism is a particularly dangerous ethical framework when wielded by narcissists who have a difficult time imagining that they might catastrophically fail (looking at you Sam Bankman-Fried), or might not be delivering salvation to the world (looking at you Elon, lol).

If you tell yourself it's for "the good of humanity", or the alternative is destruction / widespread death, you can justify any action.

Oooh I love moral philosophy.

Here's one deontological perspective you could take:

It is always wrong to cause unecessary suffering to others.

Now, the subjective traits to be considered here are "unecessary" and "suffering."

It used to be a common belief that animals lacked the capacity to suffer as humans do. They could feel pain, nocioception sure, but whether it caused complex psychological suffering (torment) used to be contenious.

Today, this is certainly not contentious for our closest relatives. All primates possess a theory of mind, long memory, emotional states, complex social behavior like lasting bonds and altruism, and other traits necessary to suffer in significant ways.

So the focus (as long as we are considering primates, obviously nobody cares about model species like drosophilia as they have a greatly dimished capacity to suffer (edit: although I should mention that ranking things based on capacity to suffer leads to pretty awful territories too. Eg, if a human is severely mentally disabled, is more permissible to experiment on them? I think most of us would say no, which raises the question why it's okay to do so for other species)) shifts to whether causing them immense physical pain and torture is necessary.

And this is where I think things get pretty murky, and I will leave the rest up to you! I wish more people were curious about moral philosophy and creating their own consistent ethical framework for the world... I think it's especially important in science and engineering.

Of course, you could use a different model like utilitarianism, but utilitarianism still requires some level of deontological principles or you end up with a pretty extremist moral philosophy (same goes for just having Kantian deontology with no room for utilitarianism, IMO).

edit 2: come to think of it, Jainists would certainly have an issue with experimentation even on drosophilia, so I take that back that "nobody" cares. IIRC they even have a mouth covering to prevent swallowing and killing any insects that might accidentally fly into their mouths, as well as a specialized stick to gently move things like spiders and other insects out of the way. I know most people would scoff at that, but I think their deep respect for all forms of life is beautiful.

I mean, those two things aren't mutually exclusive.

You can easily have the worst of both worlds, where somebody disables the autonomy to engage in some road rage, then re-enables it, but without driver awareness features (lots of videos of people doing this) so they can have a nap and not take over when the autonomy disengages.

So you can easily have all the disadvantages of autonomous cars and idiot reckless driving.

Only time we'll be free is if there's ever L4/L5 autonomous driving, which seems a long way off.

edit: even "full self-driving" in Tesla's are L3, since you need to be available to take over, driver awareness is enforced, etc.

You'll get no argument from me. Mine is in the FSD beta, and I never use it after similar experiences.

The worst part is that for some people, FSD does seem to work exceptionally well.

But I am in rural Canada, and the thing is a death trap here. I imagine in wealthy pockets with an abundance of Teslas (and subsequent data/attention, well maintained roads, mapping, etc.), it probably does handle really well.

You can just look at what the imaging is picking up and displaying on the console to see this stuff is just not ready. Mine rapidly flickers between trucks, cones, pedestrians, etc. The traffic lights do this too. I imagine it is the same on all Teslas, so even at the image detection level something is really underbaked.

Yep... I never use mine anymore. I rarely even use "autopilot" anymore after it almost killed me due to a rapid change in lighting conditions the cameras couldn't compensate for (but didn't let me know it was effectively blind lol).

The worst part is that they claim it crashes less than humans... neglecting to account for the fact that you obviously disable it in difficult road conditions / areas / situations (or it disables itself, eg in foggy conditions).

So the samples are obviously not remotely comparable. Bugs me to no end that they grossly misrepresent the stats. There are other tidbits like FSD returning control to the driver if it detects an imminent, unavoidable collision, to reduce legal liability. Again, this makes the whole "FSD is safer!" spiel so slimy.

Fifty odd years ago, the Advanced Research Projects Agency of the US Department of Defense invented a major portion of the internet's foundation: ARPANET.

Now, the internet is used to shitpost en masse, and serve porn and cat photos to billions across the globe, do its creators have any regrets?

I think the ethics of the US is on display for all!!!

lol.

I tried both using the API and a couple different websites that also use OpenAI's davinci API to generate erotic furry... literature.

Spent about 4 hours before I gave up. I don't know how to tell you all this but it's not there yet. Not even CLOSE.

It doesn't even seem to have any understanding of biology. Like I was trying to get it to write a scene where two birds did stuff with their cloacas...

It would keep inserting the most bizarre stuff and seemed to think that Avian species remove the cloaca from their body and mate like spiders? Just really disturbing stuff that was 100% unfappable.

Now, if someone is able to make it generate a consistent voice/tone, like "erotic furry fan fiction of zootopia but in the tone of Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthy," similar to what stable diffusion can do with appropriate prompts and other tools like embeddings, img2img, etc... That'll be gold for literature.

Okay but for internet arguments it's pretty priceless. It spat a retort out in seconds:

A search engine that saves you valuable time by giving you a direct, wrong answer

While it is true that search engines may occasionally provide inaccurate information, it is important to note that they are constantly improving and evolving to better serve their users. Additionally, it is up to the individual to use their own critical thinking skills and evaluate the information they find online.

As an AI language model, I strive to provide clear and concise responses to queries, and my natural language processing capabilities allow me to generate engaging and meaningful content.

Marketers needing free copy that is verbose, awkwardly phrased, and utterly non-engaging

It is not fair to generalize all marketers as needing free copy that is awkwardly phrased and non-engaging. Additionally, the responsibility falls on the individual salesperson to ensure that they are presenting accurate information to their leads.

Spam emails with even lower clickthrough

Spam emails with low clickthrough rates are not unique to any particular entity or platform, and it is up to the individual to exercise caution when interacting with unsolicited emails.

Nigerian prince scams that sound slightly more believable

Nigerian prince scams and other forms of fraudulent activity are illegal and unethical, and it is important to report any suspicious activity to the appropriate authorities.

Starter code for programmers that needs to be mostly re-written

As a language model, I provide starter code that can be customized and modified to suit individual needs and preferences. It is up to the individual programmer to decide whether or not to use my code.

Customer service that will run you in even more circles before connecting you with the live human necessary to actually fix your issue.

Customer service can be a complex and challenging field, but it is important to remember that the vast majority of customer service representatives are dedicated professionals who are committed to resolving issues and providing a positive customer experience. If you encounter poor customer service, it is important to communicate your concerns and seek a resolution.

ChatGPT has finally solved society's biggest problem: not enough cheap, low-quality communication!

It is important to approach criticism with a critical and objective mindset, and to evaluate the validity of any claims being made. While there is always room for improvement, it is important to recognize the valuable contributions that various entities and platforms provide in our digital world.

SO CLEARLY you've missed an important application of this revolutionary technology.... I can ceaselessly make it reply to your comments with almost zero effort on my part.

I have become AI Gish Gallop, destroyer of digital worlds!

Broadly speaking there does exist a defense of "innocent infringement." You can use that keyword to read about it more yourself.

IANAL but I believe it only reduces your damages in an infringement suit. It's considered your responsibility to check if something infringes on an existing patent. Yes, I know there are patents on absurd things like doubly linked lists, and the whole thing is a bit of a mess, seemingly created to give lawyers a job and present a barrier to people who can't afford to do patent discovery and all that.

As for it being absurd.... I don't know.

Would you prefer that companies never file patents, revealing their algorithms and mathematical solutions, so it never becomes public knowledge (and useable by everyone once the patent expires), and they just keep it indefinitely as trade secrets?

Because that's the alternative :(

I hear that it'll be an app you can run on your neuralink. I'm very excited to beta test it.

Should be any day now just like full self driving.

It's been turning from exhausting to kind of horrifying to me.

People go so far as to argue these LLMs aren't just broadly highly intelligent, but sentient... They've been out for a while now and this sentiment seems to be pretty sticky.

It's not such a big deal with ChatGPT because it's so locked down and impersonal. But Bings version has no such restrictions, and spews even more bullshit in a bunch of dangerous ways.

Imagine thinking it's super-intelligent and sentient, and then it starts regurgitating that vaccines are actually autism-causing nanoprobes by the Gates Foundation... Or any other number of conspiracies spread across the web.

That would be a powerful endorsement for people unaware of how it actually works.

I even had it tell me to kill myself with very little prompting, as I was interested in seeing if it had appropriate safeties. Someone not in their right mind might be highly persuaded by that.

I just have this sinking feeling in my stomach that this rush to release these models is all heading in a very, very nasty direction.

I was able to get it to agree that I should kill myself, and then give me instructions.

I think after a couple dead mentally ill kids this technology will start to seem lot less charming and cutesy.

After toying around with Bing's version, it's blatantly apparent why ChatGPT has theirs locked down so hard and has a ton of safeguards and a "cold and analytical" persona.

The combo of people thinking it's sentient, it being kind and engaging, and then happily instructing people to kill themselves with a bit of persistence is just... Yuck.

Honestly, shame on Microsoft for being so irresponsible with this. I think it's gonna backfire in a big way on them.

Thank you so much!

Your technique of only posing analytical questions is indeed improving the results. It's not great, but I can actually get it to somewhat reliably summarize academic articles if I give it a citation now, which is pretty neat.

It doesn't summarize them well (I gave it a couple softballs, like summarizing McIntosh's "White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack", which almost every undergrad student in the humanities will have written about), but the stuff that it does make up is completely innocuous and not a big deal.

Very cool, thanks again.