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Solo-dadding, hopped up on cold meds, both of which are impacting social media attention which I’m only giving attention anyway because of the cold.

Think a bit literally; reading language is “adding” information to our memory. To explain certain data structures and geometry in English would take an absurd amount of storage; first draw a Cartesian plane; what’s that; first draw a vertical line and a horizontal line extending to the right from the bottom of the horizontal line… is a lot of information to import to explain…

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The information density, memorization of form, syntactic rules, of English obfuscates simple ideas.

It’s that obfuscation that’s leveraged by aristocrats to then create confusion around truth when simple mathematical analysis shows they’re one of billions like everyone else, propped up by politically correct adherence to the subset of English that’s socially viable; tax a minority pf the population empowered by run of the mill political corruption being an example of politically incorrect language right now.

The government regulates their existence, their ability to grow, hire, develop services.

Section 230 regulates what is allowed. DMCA, etc etc

You say I should not be silly but I can believe what I like. Which is it? You are not really selling a strong argument here, just wishy washy opinions decoupled from the negotiated terms of society documented openly.

Society, the rest of us, do not have an obligation to your head canon.

With the money printer off, tech corp are going where the money is; government welfare, not a free market: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wired.com/story/google-and-...

The government does not “own assets” on paper but it has a whole lot of influence over agency

You think he’s wrong about how great government control would be, but the government is in control.

As inequality has grown, so has the deficit.

But for decades, government programs ran surpluses.

It’s not hard to explain it away in memorized economics terms. The thing is those terms are merely one set of reasonable, generic language. Not immutable laws of reality.

Technology is moving faster than that because of government investment; IBM refused to invest in solid state fearing it would undermine sales of old tube computers. Government invested in and gifted them solid state patents.

What do you think the cheap money flowing to tech corps was about the last decade? Government subsidy of technology, which is verifiable in that now that rates are down tech genius CEOs are not innovating but pushing traditions of austerity. These companies are middlemen dependent on government subsidies.

I don’t mean the glyphs, “math as a language.”

I mean intuition for state change in our meat bags. I mean measuring and building things that fit what we’d call in language now a use case, has been a thing humanoids have done forever.

Literally engineering an easier life came before language.

The problem with language is it couples ideas to emotions. It does not couple outcomes to emotions.

People say the same after a long, solo walk in nature. A more apt headline would be “doing a variety of things instigated valuable state change in our biology.”

Qualified answers are customization of well known generalizations.

I’ve been in meetings where rich elders openly admit to ageism; who cares about the problems this will create, they said, they’ll be dead by then!

This was back in the 00s before the last decade plus of expanded info awareness.

Scientific measure of fossil fuels impact on environment was achieved in 1860s. How long the runway is before catastrophe has been modeled and then hidden away over and over.

There is absolutely no reason to bequeath immense influence on human agency to the aristocrats. One small time polluter in the middle of BFE has nothing on Intel and Apple.

Humanoids have been around for millions of years. In universal timescales language has existed as long a TV.

I’m arguing figurative identity built through linguistic structures is bad for us. That it binds inner monologue to circling fantasy. That’s it’s entirely built on emotional policing; reinforced preservation of spoken story and tradition, which binds agency to pledges of allegiance, other words of power.

Whether it’s good or bad, I don’t know. That’s too simple a set of choices. I don’t think it has much to do with engineering tolerances to build a bridge or machine. I see how it’s correct use is babysat by the educated, as is spoken tradition. But I have yet to see how those educated are more than one of billions.

I don’t buy into figurative identity. It’s all a bit repetitive. If I can just dismiss the truth in language I have a hard time seeing how it matters in concrete terms?

To be real this is a perspective I’ve adopted over time. I’m in my 40s. I used to love creative writing and fiction. Now it all seems prosaic and repetitive relative to experimental discovery. I don’t use English to guide my next experiment but the measurements of the previous one.

If, as a normal human, one of billions, can function like this successfully it’s hard to see language as a fundamental requirement of doing and more of a historical barnacle like religious texts.

Edit: I really don’t care about comment scores and online reps either. Chemical addiction to doing what’s acceptable in the aggregate is exactly the argument against language I’m making. Infinite potential sentences of meaning, constrained by politically correct memory.

I would hope it’s obvious words are not stored as real things in us. Speaking and writing are trained mechanical behavior. If you merely train the smallest amount of language possible, behavior is tailored to defend that language. This isn’t really a novel idea.

Human languages are ~5,000 years old while human intuition for quantity (enough heat, food, water), spatial geometry has evolved along with us from the start. GabeN has discussed how relatively easy it is to make tech that can engage with the cortex, but seemingly impossible to read when a person “is cold” because more than the cortex is involved; spatial awareness and consciousness rely on full body sensory data not just the brain.

There’s no substance to the idea English is responsible for humans engaging in human things; we built tribal life and tools before they existed. Anglo history has largely relied on the ambiguity of the language to manipulate the masses, externalize the work to prop up a minority “educated in language.”

I’d go a step further than this article and call human language a historical barnacle that spreads mind viruses and empowers inept ideas, leading to fascist police state behavior; language comes along, humanity develops religion and violent nation states, vain figurative identity to defend through violence.

Our “natural language” is math as it’s a necessary intuition to survive the real world.

https://nautil.us/are-all-brains-good-at-math-238539/

Such an idea has been discussed for centuries. Adam Smith warned division of labor would lead people to become “…as stupid and ignorant as it is for a human creature to become.” by repeating the same career behaviors for too long.

IMO this explains a great deal about current society stuck on the idea re-training is a waste, the habit of re-electing politicians for decades being one outcome of living life “on the career escalator.”

Such an inner monologue becomes a default state of being.

Accepting simple memes like “will work for money” become the norm and “will work to acquire knowledge” becomes vulgar language.

So its about technical guidance, not approval to include code. Got it.

Jason open sourced the project. Why would they need his approval?

The article was observed, not the events. I know PR people who plant such articles for profit, all the details are vague enough to seem possible. Even the supposed pictures of eng folk with printed code could be in on the gag. CNBC got trolled by a guy faking being an ex Twitter staffer. Someone from Twitter posted “the algorithm” repo as a troll on Musk.

Why not troll the public and traditional media who are far more obsessed with office life than doing real things for others?

Why bother taking the article seriously? It’s unverifiable. I see no reason to give it a sincere discussion.

Anxiety and a lot of gossip can make people do dumb things, like make non-technical middle managers issue stupid edicts because they don’t know about git logs.

I’ve worked for orgs where engineer head count alone pushed 250 people. The number of people in power with no technical skills managing technical workers was a huge waste of time.

Perhaps Twitter is staffed by middle managers who sell well in interviews but have zero fucking clue.

I’d like to see Twitter fire the cottage industry of professional non-contributors that has seeped into tech for the pay.

Employees like the TikToking “Facebook PM” who showed off 20 mins of emailing for work and the rest of the day brunching/lunching with their crew need to go.

He’s certainly made people believe he’s rich!

But making a lot of money in a market that’s organically interested in tech the last few decades still does not make Musk literally the most valuable person alive except when measuring in politically correct fiat currency terms.

He’s literally one man in a society with a history of teaching idle idolatry.

Space man has direct impact on my agency; I need to believe in money and wealth for him to be rich.

I really don’t get the general public deflating the value of their self agency for dedication to Elon and Co todo list. We’ll except the copious amounts of government backed nation state scrip they command. But government bad too mmmk

Public talks a game about freedom and democracy while reciting a curated set of acceptable language regarding business, and bending their agency to the idea using the environment like an open sewer is optimizing for self.

But yeah flippant sarcasm about space man covers if. Yer so smert

There is no right to zero consequences for speaking freely.

I say give users the moderation power and let aggregate voting dictate content that remains visible.

No one wants public control of democracy though. What these guys want is a business friendly soapbox.

That’s true about McDonalds; one can say the brand has value but it’s just an attempt to influence belief.

You’re not actually making any kind of new point. Just expressing your deference to old ones. Point taken.

Yeah it’s all indirection to generate hype for a new way to manage electron state in a machine.

You see, it is beneath Jack and Co. to participate in the real work of keeping themselves alive.

Jack recently apologized for his role in centralizing the web but of course he’s going to be a part of the new protocol centralization effort.

Outsized success story is high minded gibberish.

He’s riding on the coattails of his family’s mining business with a suspect ethical history.

I love these “don’t punch down the people who started at the top.” Why do you hate yourself so much you would deflate your own worth by idly idolizing the idea Musk is “with billions.”

It’s word of mouth mathematical inference. We’ve been influenced and conditioned to believe their success is real: https://singularityhub.com/2022/10/25/could-consciousness-be...

We live in a carefully managed memory that deifies the figurative identity of a minority and aims our agency at protecting it.

It isn’t just Twitter; what of real human value has IBM offered to the masses except hype? Oracle?

The entire tech industry is an agency capturing religion, spouting the equivalent of catechisms. It’s not lost on me their leaders were raised in a far more religious era. They probably are true believes in the “greater good” gibberish despite being normal humans by all scientific measures.

These normal human engineers will freely go work for another “outsized” winner in order to maintain their grift.

I did not mean just tech workers.

Society follows the demands of a minority of wealth holders. Science minded engineers who prattle on about doing for science not “story mode”.

There is no science that suggests the leaders we have are infallible. It’s all politically correct story-mode based drivel to follow these “leaders”.

The technology changes but human agency has not moved on from being captured by high minded empty promises of forced expansion and growth for humanity; we’ll be long dead and never able to verify.

Their past success is leveraged to prop up caricature of who we should aspire to. Meanwhile their success is traditional political corruption.

I love living in a society where oligarchs can have their way with us and that’s “freedom”.

Poor developers keeping society afloat with no help whatsoever.

Let’s give the food producers your benefits. They’re probably far more valuable to me than you will ever be. Why empower you with such economic agency then?

Fork it and move on. Humanity has shown it’s all about control of ethno-bubbles.

Our biology seeks power and influence. Rent seeking.

Stop giving it to these ephemeral terms, logos, memes, and importing the gibberish of outsiders, giving them influence.

Don’t give them anymore attention, fork the repo. The people behind these projects are just people. They’re not owed fealty and chance after chance given this behavior happens all the time and users complain all the time when they do. Stop feeding the identity of the sorts who do this. They’re figurative nobodies and random meat bags of billions. Treat them with the same lack of respect in return. There’s no making nice with this kind of agency. Flip it off and walk away.

I think what you mean to say is not everyone can handle more than learning one functional set of skills.

Which is sad and lazy thinking.

If you can drive a car and program a machine you can handle two common “roles” in our economy. Clearly only being capable of one role is a joke.

Me thinks this feels more like vanity and laziness; the engineer is not to slum it with the call-center rabble.

If only an automation existed to smooth over the bureaucracy.

Amazon CEO is shipping sound bites that make him sound like a victim. Poor aristocrat; he’ll have to wave his wrist and get the workers to automate the task.

Why must it be true every penny they earn is through real work? They have earned a lot of tax breaks and free gov cash over the years to stabilize business. Maybe it’s all a weird web of savings and investing, years of inflating their wealth through word of mouth, making us believe they turn a profit. They fought to keep alternatives at bay through political and scientific manipulation. How do you know they even make money; have you looked through their books?

You’re trusting word of mouth without verification. You’re making their success a given.

Wow, trite cynicism on social media for others; such a great showcase of your unique and quirky personality.

Social media is an open sewer of low effort demands of the world to serve individual sensibilities, revealing the apes are not as civil and inclusive as their philosophy has lead them to believe. I love it.