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Surprised my fellow typewriter folks haven't shown up yet! [paging @ebruchez]

If you want the writerdeck experience I'll echo the recommendations here for an Alphasmart. The brute-force autotyping file transfer it uses is quaint but always amusing. Gave one to a screenwriter friend and it's now gotten regular use for years. PDAs are a solid choice as well that may resonate with the HN crowd.

Don't sleep on owning an actual typewriter though. I have a small collection and use one daily. There's a rabbit hole of ~150 years of makes & models (most of which continue to function fine today) that will give any mechanical keyboard enthusiast much to chew on. :)

Just a note for those in the market (as someone with the unusual distinction of owning ~30 Alphasmarts), a few hundred $ is more like a top of the line, NIB/serviced Alphasmart Neo 2 with bag, manual, etc.

If you just want to try out distraction-free writing with USB a used AS3000 is easily found <$50 (YMMV re. battery corrosion).

Thank you for supporting monochrome OS 3.5! Will be taking this for a spin. :)

You might take a look around for it. They made two original versions, the 1000 and the 5000. The 1000s are pretty hard to find nowadays (seems a lot of early adopters went for the higher memory spec).

Some folks in the community even have upgraded PalmCards (the replaceable CPU board in these) that run PalmOS 5 now, hack the display to show more bits, etc.

I've been using a Palm of roughly this spec as a daily driver (black and white and everything) for years at this point. Love it every single day.

Careful fading Tom Swift too hard. The two main series date from the 1910-20s and the 50s-60s. Basically sci-fi Nancy Drew or Hardy Boys rather than modern YA, especially the second wave of books.

They're more "outwitting not-Soviet saboteurs with nuclear-powered inventions" and were written when science was putting the universe in our grasp.

They get mentioned here as an influence on folks from time to time (myself included), predictable adverb structure aside. :)

This is how we handle it as well. We were at friends' last night and the older kids had the N64 out. The older kids reported that ours just wanted to be read to the whole time, but early doses of things we intend to introduce anyway (video games predating modern addictive mechanics) are fine at that frequency.

We are mindful of potential Pandora's boxes though. You can't ban everything unhealthy without causing long term issues. You strive though to only introduce things when they're developmentally ready to cope with it, even if that means restrictions on yourself as an adult.

You work to constantly provide good examples via your own life, compelling narratives, etc. of people who exemplify the virtues you want to instill. That's how you help shape (the best you can) the life of someone with an innate identity to, when necessary, "just say no", or simply be uninterested in and unswayed by things that don't conform to their value system.

They aren't stifled by rules and wrestling with temptation--not valuing YT Kids is just who they are.

Agreed. So much of it is identity (going back to James Clear in Atomic Habits). "I'm not a smoker" is more powerful than "I'm trying to quit".

"We just don't watch Youtube on our phones in this house." [and you work to develop that into healthy self-confidence rather than ego]

Growing up homeschooled, we had the same simmering sense of pride in not doing what others (e.g. "public schoolers" did). Never had a rebellious teen phase, etc. Some families overdid it, but...idk...I'm still quite close to my parents, so I never felt stifled.

It makes it -very- natural in life to focus on what my SO and I think are optimal and more or less disregard what's normal.

#1 is exactly what we're doing with ours. The little one understands cassettes and the concept of an audiobook or a Welles radio drama (sometimes MP3/CD, but I record custom cassettes too).

I have a millenium-era iMac set up as the family computer in anticipation of introductory computing when old enough (probably soon) and learning that digital entertainment is a state of mind and place you go to for a time, and then shut down and do something else. It's in the living room and off, so right now we're just building familiarity with it and exploring the keyboard, mouse, etc. and mimicking dad. Currently the little one -loves- the physical interaction of a typewriter and requests one more than a keyboard (but loose keyboards are fun too!).

The TV is a projector screen that recedes into the ceiling. Total screen time for them in the home right now over the past ~2.5y is probably...3 hours? Maybe?

My daily driver mobile is a black and white PDA and almost never a phone. I don't think my toddler has -ever- asked me for my phone and certainly wouldn't think to request, e.g. a video on it. Entertainment comes from our books, legos, and trains.

My theory is an accelerated progression through history. Mastering technology means understanding where it came from. It takes the shine off the modern rectangle of doom if you can place it in time and space and your first habits aren't built around it.

To @ozim's point, the issue is what has been normalized in broader society and so, yeah, we've clearly figured out touchscreens and plenty of local places for kids have unnecessary TVs. The concerns of other kids/parents introducing things to ours too early is mitigated by building a core [home]school and social group who shares enough common values. The differences between our respective households become learning opportunities for everyone.

What's fantastic is that I can go to the grocery store or sit in a restaurant for an hour and a half (and even better, two flights with a layover--with effort) with no tantrum from a toddler and no technology. Just...not even a thought that enters.

Sure thing! Third party apps yes (see: palmdb.net), but obviously not typical 3rd party services (no Spotify, etc.).

I mostly use a few models of Handspring Visor, typically grayscale, so not even the latest OS. Visor Edge for something as thin and sleek as a modern phone. Visor Neo if I want expandability (similar to pg6-7 in the Ars article). There's a fun module that adds both more memory and a vibrate motor for alarms, but I'll swap that out for a camera or mp3 module at times. Charge or swap batteries once or twice a month.

Common tasks:

* Notes, To Dos, Contacts, Calendar (excellent stock calendar, per @j45 above)

* Alarms & Reminders (stock + Diddlebug, which lets you draw/write notes w/ a timer)

* Offline browsing (Plucker can crawl pages and sync them)

* Weather (note: cached on sync because my Palm doesn't have wifi)

* Calorie tracking

* Games (we have a Wordle port!)

* Longform writing - I have a foldable keyboard and usually use plaintext, but there are word processing apps that save to HTML if you want. I also often write on an Alphasmart Neo, which can IR beam back and forth with the Palm and PC.

* Personal project tracking/flows

* Photos (technically video too, but only have 8MB memory for everything)

I have newer PDAs too that can natively handle things like voice recording, cameras, video playback, etc., but I really like the grayscale ones. A late Clié like a VZ90 or some of the others in this thread will have more bells and whistles (even OLED!).

Note also that all of the above is a more manual process than modern phones (and more manual today than it was then, because Outlook supported Palms in 2002 unlike now). If you use Google Calendar I think you can still sync, but if there's an important work meeting that I want in my pocket in addition to the laptop--I do the little ritual of adding it myself.

IMO your last line there really hits the nail on the head with what I saw both on the ground and in the data.

Windows Phone was absolutely crushing it with first-time smartphone adopters, but for folks switching it was tougher, because WP didn't use depend on the whole "grid of siloed apps" concept as much. If you'd already used an iPhone, it took a second to unlearn.

And considering anyone making smartphone apps in 2010 was still on the early-adopter side of the curve--they'd already experienced that way of using a phone. There were still a lot of first-timers in the following 5 years, but the folks at the agencies and companies making the software weren't them.

That too. WP7 brought the premise of the amazing UX to the table and then the 7 -> 8.1 -> 10 stuff was a mess for the devs who still did want to invest.

Though I'm not sure how much users noticed that fiasco (my SO didn't) and honestly, even when WP7 was getting updates and looked healthy it was pulling teeth to get companies to make a 3rd app.

I'll second this. WebOS was conceptually way ahead of its time compared to contemporary versions of iOS, etc. A lot of its UI paradigms (switching apps as cards, etc.) ended up being adopted later by the big names as well. Just not ready to pivot that hard as a company and carrying a ton of legacy baggage as a brand at that point.

Windows Phone was similar. Superior product (not just technically--in usability testing too), but late to the party and lacking cultural caché considering its parent company.

I'm also biased though. :)

I switched back to PalmOS for my daily mobile computing a couple of years ago, so I think I've given it time for the nostalgia effect to wear off. It's still incredibly fun and absolutely doable.

To the article's point, what we do with modern devices today is just another iteration of what these do. For the average modern app/SaaS, there's a very often a Palm app that did the same thing in 2002.

There's also still active exploration in the Palm space (ARM board swaps, new expansion modules for the Visor, apps in-dev from several folks including myself).

Happy to provide recommendations.

American here.

I had a year of American government around 9th grade-ish, which covered the basics of the system, the founding documents, etc. and then spent a lot of time with the formative debates driving it (Federalist/Anti-Federalist Papers, Montesquieu, Hobbes, Locke, and such). Plus during elementary school a year or two of American/state history, which had civics elements. Then there were sundry courses like geography and things like read-alouds covering topics like economics (I definitely recall learning about inflation and the labor movement in middle school).

American Government was also a required course at uni (which I believe is common among liberal arts schools). That one was more practical in focus.

Back in first grade I remember participating in a mock election based on the candidates of the day...

Bear in mind I was homeschooled for much of the above, and many of the homeschoolers I knew were already very civically engaged with volunteering, Boy Scouts, interning at the state capitol, and more.

Maybe that was just my social group, but we as a family weren't political activists or anything (nor was politics a particularly common or passionate discussion) and some of this was just the path laid out by the curriculum.

Yep! An easy way is a color gradient background layer and then another layer like a white gradient intersecting it. The orientation/opacity of that top gradient lets you get anything from super-glossy to more of a frosted glass, especially when combined with some additional tweaks to give it more depth.

I still have some websites live (and untouched) from the period if you want to see some...evocative but rather unrefined examples: http://www.biotechgaming.com/software.php (left nav buttons, for example)

Homepage is offline because it has code expecting PHP5 (and Flash); deeper pages mostly work though!

I've actually starting incorporating the Vista/Aero aesthetic again in some recent UI work. Not explicitly in anticipation of the 20y trend cycle returning to it and not nearly the same level of overall gloss (yet?), but I wouldn't be surprised if it feels fresh and new soon enough. :)

Though from a hobbyist perspective I probably own more interesting designs falling under Y2K. Transparent PDAs, game systems, etc. have always been cool in my book!

~B1 French here with Duo being an important step on the way.

The trick for Duolingo is to use the desktop version and disable all the "helpful" bits you can or at least use the browser version if on mobile. Desktop had far fewer gamified bits than the app as of a year ago (sadly the new UI broke my workflow and I dropped Duo altogether). Gems weren't a meaningful thing, etc.

In particular: Use your keyboard for everything. You'll probably want to be able to type in the target language anyway and it helps you avoid the trap of being really good at pattern recognition instead of really learning all the grammar quirks.

You can disable both animations and the leaderboard gamification in the settings (the latter by setting your profile to private). CSS/uBlock can help hide other distractions, add dark mode, etc. as needed.

It takes some extra work now to unbury the learning tool beneath but Duolingo itself, especially if you go in with a general idea of how to go about learning a language, is still really useful.

Super helpful link that I used along the way as well (not mine): https://runwes.com/2020/02/11/howilearnedfrench.html

I love this! My father created a panorama with walkable waypoints like this for the Golden Temple in Amritsar and a few other historic sites back in the Shockwave/Flash days (something like 2001). Turned out to be some of my early learnings in building with Flash.

I also actually took my own series of photos on a whim a few weeks ago with the intention of DIY stitching my own pano and used to love using Microsoft's "old" (08-10) Seadragon/Photosynth tech.

I'd be very curious to learn more about your JS implementation. :)

An interesting argument I've heard recently (but haven't yet come to a personal conclusion on, so don't take this as an endorsement):

Emphasize math for older kids when their brain is better prepared for abstraction (some even argue age 10+!). Emphasize language and character for younger kids, especially because at _very_ young ages that's really what they're soaking in anyway.

The logic here being efficiency. An older child can learn in a week what a preschooler may drill for months. Cover some math facts in primary school to build a strong foundation, but strong language skills compound against _all_ education and should come first, with a heavier shift to advanced mathematics later in schooling.

Again, don't know if I ascribe yet (I was accelerated in math at a young age myself) or how this really looks in the real world, but definitely an argument that wise people make in good faith.

Probably impossible in a standardized school setting. :)

The social gap question has been pretty hotly debated for decades (whether it exists and/or is even a concern). For the curious, here are a couple of relevant threads:

5 Days Ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36842564

10 Months Ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32746181

Much appreciated, and thank you for the complement!

I was also homeschooled (and loved it) so my perspective does have a certain tint to it. So much of this comes down to the particular child and parent, which is of course the point. :)

Feel free to reach out if you need another resource or simply to bounce ideas.

Counterpoint: Perhaps peer socialization, particularly in the form found in typical schools, isn't all that valuable.

I'd argue that what serves one best in life is learning to function at an adult level with other adults. Most homeschoolers I've known spent substantial amounts of time in adult company every day. Mixed-age peer groups (as seen in homeschool co-ops) can also create a natural dynamic and expectation for the student to both be a mentor and be mentored (relationship skills one should know how to cultivate as an adult).

Conforming as an 11 year old to the culture and social behaviors created by other 11 year olds in a space where a few overstretched adults struggle mightily (if with good intentions) to create a positive environment is...not an optimal use of that child's time.

Not that most homeschoolers aren't also hanging out with same-aged peers too. Much time is saved by not having the administrative overhead of a school. Lots of homeschoolers hang out with their friends all the time like any other kids do. Having buddies over and gaming until 3am is just as fun either way.

Fully acknowledging that I'm deep in anecdotal territory here and that these are sample sizes where all outcomes will be well-represented.

Joshua Sheats over at Radical Personal Finance just ran through an 18-part podcast series (starting at #908) on investing into one's children at a young age, spanning everything from conception through education and character development. Highly recommend listening through his thought process.

It's mostly not financial, in this context, other than the idea that the early years may very well shape your and their financial future.

He also has an extensive back-catalog on education, pregnancy, raising children, etc. A lot of the segments of the big series I referenced above have roots in topics he's covered over the years.

Extremely well-spoken and thoughtful, but I'll attach the usual warning when posting any media to a broad audience like HN, you'll probably find values that you share and values that you don't, so approach with an open mind and extract what's valuable to your life.

RSS: https://radicalpersonalfinance.libsyn.com/

A common supplier for typewriters in general is Ribbons Unlimited: https://www.ribbonsunlimited.com/

The carbon film you're referring to is likely part #1299095 (black correctable). Believe generics of these are still made. I also buy NOS sometimes. So far the 30-40yo cartridges seem to work fine once you get to the spooled film vs the few inches that may have been exposed to the elements. Not sure if the chemistry of them is just that stable (vs ink ribbons) or I've simply had good luck (i.e. I'm not speaking from 40 years of experience or anything).

The tougher one to source is the "bicycle" style of cartridge used on some Selectric IIIs (other IIIs were built/swapped to work with the old II-style carts).

Amazing! Isn't there also a single element one that uses an inverted cylinder with the type on the inside?

In general, I'm discovering what a deep rabbit hole I've dug myself into. Last weekend I was trying to decide between a Corona Silent, a similar-vintage Remington I haven't yet identified, and an SCM Corsair. Looking for a nice portable contrast to a Selectric that isn't fatiguing to use.

Edit: Re. that first point, believe I was thinking (somewhat backwards) of the 1878 version of the Malling-Hansen Writing Ball: https://www.officemuseum.com/typewriters_hansen_writing_ball...

I believe there were many daisy wheel typewriters, but I (correctly or incorrectly) tend to associate them with true electronic typewriters as opposed to electric ones. IBM Wheelwriters and such.

As with most artifacts, survivorship bias will ultimately dominate.

Some code will prove itself to be unusually durable (parallel: the pyramids) or some will prove to be so useful that someone will maintain it (roads that have been used for 2,000 years).

Most does ultimately fade to time.

That said, I use code daily that folks wrote 20+ years ago. Not just continuous lineages like an OS kernel, but actual applications written decades ago and never updated since.

Likewise, while most web sites/applications I've built for clients probably only exist on a tape in a datacenter now, people still upload videos of games I created 15 years ago to Youtube.

Getting code to last is all a mix of innate durability, utility to others, and some luck. :)

I was a huge Windows Phone advocate around this time, and indeed in many markets _outside_ the US it had periods of being the #2 behind Android. To my vague recollection maybe India, Mexico, and parts of Europe (where it was sometimes #2, and when not at least had a much stronger showing than in the US).

There was solid user research at the time indicating that it was both more popular with and had a lower learning curve for first-time smartphone buyers compared to iOS/Android at the time--but there were fewer and fewer of such first-timers by then.

IMO it's a great example of a better platform (in terms of UX and polish) losing to competitors/incumbents on things other than...for lack of a better word..."worthiness".

As @chiph said, being the third to launch is just a death knell for platforms. The network effects trending towards a duopoly are just so strong. I worked for an agency where clients did initially give us budget to build WP apps (and we had a ton of fun!), but if you make an 80/20 decision enough times, you end up supporting only the top 2.

Re. that last role, it always warms my heart to see folks hiring for it. :) You might check this recent thread for candidates: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35658387