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I see pasabagi criticizing xtian’s specific comments and approach.

I see him implying that the comments/observations are not in good faith and that he might be paid for taking the positions he takes. This seems completely unnecessary and quite rude.

Assuming any negative comment about China to be an attempt to scam us into a war also seems like a mistake.

You may not recognize the increased sinophobia in the west but it is part of a well funded centralized effort to demonize and increase the potential for kinetic warfare between western countries and China. The fact that HN acts like an echo chamber for state approved anti-Chinese perspectives doesn't help matters.

A close reading of sino-western historic/economic relations results in a very different perspective than the one which is promoted in western MSM by corrupted organizations.

This notion that everyone skeptical of western defense contractor funded claims is paid by China is a sad evolution of the close minded rebuttals that existed during the Iraq WMD period.

There is no counter to this false claim online which is why it is unfortunately effective in shutting down discourse.

I guess we are stupid enough to walk into a potential war the same way we were scammed into one not too long ago. We already forgot the lessons as a population.

U.S. targets Chinese Uighur militants as well as Taliban fighters in Afghanistan

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-s-targets-chinese-uighu...

They were considered terrorists, then at some point during the Syrian regime change project, imported Uyghur fighters became useful allies to the US along with Al Nusra, Al Qaeda and ISIS.

US is also currently rehabilitating an Al Qaeda militant's image to make him the 'Juan Guaido' of Syria...

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/abu-mohammad-al-j...

CIA has a long history of funding terrorists and attempting regime change operations around the world, China included.

People that know the pattern can see the bullshit coming from a mile away.

Why the US all of a sudden loves the Uyghur terrorists that it was bombing with impunity not too long ago...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m7id66fk9hY

Bitcoin cannot succeed past a certain level because then it competes with the USD and becomes a threat.

It already is a threat to the USD and the game theory ensures anyone fighting against Bitcoin loses in the long run.

If the US wants to lose miners/nodes, large holders, and fintech innovation to other more free countries, they should take the view that you are sharing, but they will also lose the future in the process.

Fact check: No, email to Fauci doesn't contain origin of a 'coronavirus bioweapon'

I didn't argue that the email contained claims about the 'origin'.

Email Subject:

"Coronavirus Bioweapon Production Method"

Dated March 11, 2020.

Screenshot of original email - https://i.imgur.com/HxUSoCv.png

Was the primary driver of the Tiananmen Square protest caused by the CIA?

You are saying that if a CIA regime change pattern is detected and the CIA doesn't publicly disclose its covert/overt operations (even as it does expected post-op cleanup), it probably didn't happen? Quite interesting to maintain a permanent state of denial when history says the opposite is more appropriate...

After looking at timeline of CIA destabilization operations (using NGOs, rebel groups, terrorists, etc...) around the world and the constant funding of protests and extremism in China/Tibet/HK... Anyone that can do elementary level pattern recognition can see this for what it is...

This regime change operation extends to the repeated HK protests (many participants are paid to attend) and Xinjiang extremism (participants funded, armed, and trained by the CIA and their partners in Turkey/Syria/Iraq).

Paid HK protestors - https://www.rt.com/op-ed/525596-hong-kong-paid-protests/

Uyghur extremists as a China destabiliser - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=00Cvx0R8iDo

Uyghurs militants conveniently allowed into Syria to help the US overthrow Assad - https://www.timesofisrael.com/uighur-militants-in-syria-look...

Do you seriously believe that the Tiananmen Square protests in 1989 were backed by the CIA?

Western intelligence generally rush to protect their assets, or at least they used to...

These regime change attempts have been ongoing for about a century, opium/heroin dealers/criminals and their western partners/suppliers didn't like getting shutdown by the Chinese government, primarily Mao.

When people ask, "Why is China a Surveillance State?", this is why...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Yellowbird

I disagree, NATO countries (including Japan) have benefited from sabotaging/disrupting Chinese trade for more than a century. They know what they stand to gain by making China the "virus spreader/origin" of the world.

The Fauci emails in March 2020 that described the exact components of the virus with subject 'coronavirus bio-weapon production method' hints at the actual purpose of this release.

What incentive does Bing have to hide evidence of a failed CIA coup attempt in China?

North Carolina lab was shipping covid around the world. Wouldn't be surprised if the lab in Fort Detrick was doing similar research.

You seem to assume a bio-weapon has to cause mass death to be effective and meet the deployer's objectives...you are wrong in the case of economic attacks.

I do not believe that covid was intentionally designed and released as a bio weapon.

History says you are wrong to discount NATO countries (I include Japan as an unofficial member) using bio-weapons. They have a long history of deploying and supporting deployments of these kinds of weapons against military and economic foes.

The point is to disrupt, not mass murder, and in that sense, mission accomplished.

This scenario is just as plausible as the lab leak theory, and probably has just as much evidence.

My understanding is a small minority own all the land, this is the kind of stupid anemic growth China would've experienced without Mao's land reforms.

Protip: Never the let criminal class keep/hold the majority of the land.

South Africa needs land expropriation without compensation, immediately.

This "Marketplace of ideas" is run by English speakers, in our case, and completely ignores the idea that we or our allies may have been involved in a biological attack on China. Very convenient, in my opinion, since history says NATO countries are the most likely to deploy biological weapons.

You are confusing BTC and ETH... A fully validating BTC node can be run on a raspberry pi, a full ETH node requires much more equipment.

If given a choice, as a person that lives 99% of the time in the US, would you rather have a US device that is backdoored by the NSA/CIA or a Chinese device that is backdoored by the Chinese government?

I personally think the latter is preferable. Not sure why anyone buys US made equipment post Snowden/Assange.

An expansion on the terrorist training ground the CIA created in Syria which tens of thousands of Uyghurs attended (not commonly known in the US).

"CIA trained and funded rebel groups, some ended up fighting alongside Al-Nusra (Al-Qaida in Syria). US weapons also ended up with Al-Nusra."

"Turkey, a NATO member, trained their own rebel groups and also made sure to allow every jihadi to pass into Syria."

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27343879

My understanding is a few labs, including one in North Carolina, were working on this virus and shared samples with labs around the world. Unfortunately, these viruses are now easy enough for a small team anywhere in the world to create with the widely available tools....transporting a payload across borders is trivially easy.

Motives... the Chinese have no incentive to maliciously release a virus in their own country during an event that is tied to national pride and acts as a showcase of Chinese domestic development in Wuhan. The western warhawks on the other hand have a tremendous interest in obstructing any Chinese military cooperation with its peers. The potential motives seem quite clear...with the nice side effect of disrupting Chinese trade as the world recoils from a new downside risk of globalization.

The US and its allies have a long history of biological warfare against economic competitors. Even the Japanese bio-warfare campaign in WW2 China was supported, partially funded, and fully pardoned by the US/UK...people and history books tend to forget/omit that Imperial Japan received all of its oil and much of its supplies from the US. These supplies being cutoff (aka treaty violation) without FDR's/Churchill's knowledge are what resulted in the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.

During periods of uncertainty, it's good to remember that America's left hand doesn't always know what its right hand is doing... and vice versa.

I tend to think history is in the process of rhyming again.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_Ei_1644

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaimingjie_germ_weapon_attac...

Disease was purposely spread in the Americas as part of a biological warfare operation (the quotes from military leaders are easy to find)...

“I will try to inoculate the Indians by means of blankets that may fall in their hands, taking care however not to get the disease myself. As it is a pity to appose good men against them, I wish we could make use of the Spaniards’ method, and hunt them with English dogs, supported by Rangers and some light horse, who would, I think, effectively extirpate or remove that vermin.” — Col. Henry Bouquet, 13 July, 1763

”You will do well to try to inoculate the Indians by means of Blankets, as well as to try every other method that can serve to Extirpate this Exorable Race. I should be very glad your scheme for hunting them down by Dogs could take effect, but England is at too great a distance to think of that at present.” — Gen. Jeffery Amherst, 16 July 1763

...Which is part of the reason I believe covid may have been dropped in China by our allies. We have a long history of doing this to our economic competitors, China does not.

China also doesn't have a history of sending regime change operatives into countries, completely decimating them and killing millions of innocent foreign civilians. We follow this pattern almost every decade. The idea that the Chinese are a threat at your border and the US are not, is comical (as we see in the case of Xinjiang).

You seem to know nothing about Xinjiang other than what you are fed through media by CIA assets (Zenz, NED, Radio Free Asia). US/Turkey assisted extremists are being branded genocide victims to stop the belt and road project, unfortunately the ISIS/AlQ trained ones are also given Turkish passports and exported to other places in the world with the aid of and under the blind eye of the US.

The US killed the most innocent Muslim civilians in the past 2 decades and you really believe they care about the Muslims in Xinjiang? If the US was actually interested in stopping Uyghur extremism, you would see a large % of the population dead, instead we get 0 mass murder and the Chinese training civilians so economic prosperity leaves little room for extremism...

~3+ million dead innocent Iraqi/Syrian/Yemeni civilians would rather have had the Chinese approach than a guaranteed death sentence from the US, I expect.

There are multiple ways to characterize every point you are making.

China has a long history of being the victim of foreign attacks using these routes, everything you mention is a defensive strategy to protect trade, borders, and the population from international attacks. The sabre rattling in the west doesn't help but only accelerates the push in this direction.

Han global supremacy sounds like a projection of western history rather than a reality. Reconnecting trade routes and rebuilding infrastructure in the destroyed empires of Asian history has many positive outcomes for the whole region. I don't we can wave away the feelings of billions of people pulled out of poverty by Chinese economic action.

'something something aboriginals in USA'

I don't think we should compare the genocide/robbery of ~100 million natives in the Americas to the Uyghur/Turkic extremism/terrorism/separatism issue in Western China being solved without a military conflict. The brand of Islam (Saudi Wahabism) they now practice and the military training they received from ISIS/AlQ in US controlled parts of Syria/Iraq was/is part of a US strategy to destabilize China for the purpose of regime change. To now call it 'Xinjiang/Uyghur genocide' as many do, rather than a US intelligence led operation to disrupt trade/infrastructure expansion into western Asia is a dishonest characterization.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-mideast-crisis-syria-chin...

There may be fake fans but unpopular opinion, I'm one of the real non-Chinese fans.

Many of their posts point out tremendous hypocrisy in the west's interactions with developing countries. As a citizen of the west, these criticisms are valid.

This is ironic because enlightenment ideals would have assumed opening economic ties with China should have led to democratic ideals in China, but that didn’t pan out.

The idea that the west opened up with the goal of treating the Chinese equally, is on the surface true, but in reality misleading.... There is a lot of covert/overt activity that is primarily meant to result in regime change, something that I expect would be a negative outcome for the poorer people in China at this stage in development.

Many in the west are prescribing that a country forget the recent past and take the actions of its major foreign adversaries (read mass criminals that voluntarily positioned themselves that way) as good faith... I don't think they have the luxury of doing that.

The leaders are in power to do what's most beneficial for their population (domestic hyper-development) while avoiding an outcome that rhymes with 'century of opium'...serving western interests is a very low priority, as it should be.

This is the century of 'Don't trust, only verify' and I too feel the employed cautious approach is a requirement.

Its hard to have an anti-corruption movement without the side effect of consolidating power. Hopefully the US will soon have an anti-corruption movement (long overdue), so the world can see an example of how one can be properly executed.

I personally think the GFW is a good thing, for now, that other developing countries may have an interest in copying. Free flowing mass communication in nations without fully developed public (security) services can be a disaster... the conflicts (and even genocides) that arose from poorer countries adopting FB come to mind.

Also a foreign entity with suspicious partners having direct access to naive citizens around the world should be viewed as an attack vector especially if the locally accepted values don't match those of foreign entity.

I do find it interesting that the idea of a foreign country dropping covid in China is not even considered.

It's not even considered by the people who are aware of the history of mass anti-Sino biological warfare that took place around WW2 and the decades after.

What people don't realize is there is an overlap between 'originating from nature" and "originating from a foreign attack", both share a non-lab-leak origin but the latter is not even considered in the countries (US, UK, Japan, etc) with a history of using bio-weapons against citizens/civilians.

Mistaking one for the other is highly probable.

The vast majority of English media is published by 2-3 countries, whatever they believe or are incentivized by their governments/capital-class to publish usually become the mainstream narratives.

This centralized system of information dissemination has tremendous flaws.

Black people sold other black people to white people.

Slavery was banned in the major kingdoms in Africa, the slave trading minority were empowered, funded, and armed by foreigner traders. They were able to take control of a large portion of the continent this way.

Just like opium trading was banned in China, the drug trading minority were empowered, funded, and armed by foreigner traders...etc

Much of the 'slavery' in Africa was actually mislabeled, it is better described as 'human adoption'. These so called slaves lived and ate in the same house as 'owners', had wives/children (sometimes more than the 'owner'), were not forced to work, and would intermarry with the adoptive family freely. Many rose to prominence and wielded tremendous power/influence in the families/communities/tribes they were adopted into. This form of 'adoption' (which includes adults) is still common in war torn countries in Africa where families are broken apart and family members lost prematurely.

In America, the modern day equivalent would be going to a homeless tent city, moving some of the individuals into your home and sharing resources.

Chattel slavery was considered abhorrent and only arrived in certain parts of the continent after a certain point.

There were also POWs that were treated poorly and initially they were the people sold to foreign traders... preferable to leaving enemies of a tribe in jail, which posed a security risk and caused many other problems.

"The black people sold black people" line is popular in the US because it sidesteps the details and on some level freed slave owners and their descendants from moral/social burden and guilt. This retort was/is also useful in denying the case for reparations when African Americans raised/raise it.

Western monopoly capital is aware that Afro-Asian unity is a potential economic threat. Dividing these communities is a priority to some... The narratives will be mainstreamed, any problems will be amplified, and I have a feeling covert elements have/will fund the conflict.

This also potentially results in the side effect of Asians (specifically Chinese) fleeing the country and/or siding with the majority against African liberation and civil rights issues. This is seen as a win-win scenario.

Anyone that's closely studied colonial history intuitively understands what might be going on and recognizes the pattern.

The structures capable of this kind of sabotage (that historically operated in Asia, Africa and South/Central America) didn't die off, they just became dormant/less-active temporarily.

I appreciate your support. I've noticed my favorite science-related publications (ArsTechnica was especially surprising) completely suppressing and deleting these kinds of discussions in the comment sections.

Unfortunately this topic has been heavily politicized and dissenting opinions are no longer seen through a science-based lens.

As a person that generally dislikes both political parties, I get hit from both sides.... for being pro-mask/pro-temporary-lockdown (attacked from the right) and for being vaccine-cautious/anti-vaccine-passports (attacked from the left).