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Your comment is dismissive, and unhelpful. I think if you were to maybe review the concept in a less shallow manner, you would see this is voluntary, for those already in country on parole anyways. If you think you can dismiss the concept by being disrespectful of your lack of depth I’d suggest you work on comprehension with logic puzzles or the like.

All of what I said requires effort, which is not guaranteed, they are options for the motivated, which is what we want those coming to this country to hold of personal value. Have a nice day though.

I agree the sentiment of that period was dark, and giving the people who have sacrificed their homes and have made a perilous journey here hope is what they came for to begin with. There is an argument to be made for ejecting people with no prospects outside of abhorrence, this is my attempting to soften it with something to strive for.

If we don’t do things like this, what do we expect these people who need to care for themselves and potentially their families are going to be willing to do?

We also have to be serious in consideration of the current climate, and having recruiting down will just lead to drafts or forced conscriptions if the climate turns further.

I wish we wouldn’t have enabled the current belief in the country being an opportunity for foreign actors to come to without using the proper mechanisms. Unfortunately it has and we are now in a situation that is untenable. We can hold back in fear of the “invasion” or come up with plans to integrate and/or assimilate these individuals in their family that will be a benefit or leave them to languish to our detriment.

No I didn’t say that or allude to it, voluntary conscripted amnesty. They would still have to naturalize as well, and only offer that after a sufficient period of service and all the rigors of training, ait, and actual term.

Do you believe we are not already having an inter-domain/dimensional information war with something of a nature you describe? (Kind of kidding)

I keep hearing about it being military-aged men whom are illegally emigrating to the u.s., and low recruiting would seem like a low-hanging fruit in the form of conscription for immigrants.

I mean it also would afford their actual stations more contract labor in non-military support roles at their posts for their spouses. Also would reduce recruitment costs as you wouldn’t need so many incentives to get em through the door, reduce over-crowded shelters, and the kind of people willing to serve and improve their station are the kind of immigrants we profess to want.

They should institute a voluntary conscripted amnesty/asylum for those who entered into the country and are on immigration parole. This program could allow for retroactive application to spouses/children (no extended family transferability until completion of service contract).

There would be no need for sign-on bonus, you could add additional qualifications for g.i. benefits in the form of naturalization.

It would really be a net positive as they would be forced to assimilate into our society in a way that is a net benefit at many different layers of the civil stack. The kind of people who are willing to serve the country rather than acting as a sanctioned entitlement case would be a win/win. No?

Isn’t genetic material an infinite state machine as long as the host system has the requisite support continuity?

“Ai” is just the current moniker for a persistent assault on the original general intelligence (belief not required).

Pretty sure religion is an accurate representation of a generative intelligence, but I digress to knowing little.

“James

Time is a concept of human design to demarcate wealth into units to be sold to the poor through the value exchange of labor.

You’re welcome, I’m not saying you don’t need money to participate in the experience of being a human. But there is more power in our belief in their unit (as this particular experience exposes about one store of value…. It certainly says about another.

The joker is real. ;)

American home ownership is so loaded with plantation era subtle subjugation in the form of linguistic convention. If master bedroom were the worst it would get attention.

I switched to originating new repos as main instead of master personally, reinforcing the concept of “commuting to” or code “being committed” to “master”, seems diametrically opposed to progress.

Ok, let’s address this from the standpoint of a node in the network of the thoughtscape. A denizen of the “inter”net, and also a victim of the exploitive nature of artists.

Media amalgamated power by farming the lives of “common” people for content, and attempt to use that content to manage lives of both the commons and unique, under the auspice of entertainmet. Which in and of itself is obviously a narrative convention which infers implied consent (id ask to what facetiously).

Keepsake of the gods if you will…

We are discussing these systems as though they are new (ai and the like, not the apple of iOS), they are not…

this is an obfuscation of the actual theft that’s been taking place (against us by us, not others).

There is something about reaping what you sow written down somewhere, just gotta find it.

-mic

as long as we have had civilization scale organizing principles, we have had intelligence of a general nature. I feel much of the conversation at this point is litigating the past.... to what end though?

you mention consciousness relative to organisms and their possession of it. Yet if it is not understood well-enough in ourselves, how can you say something does or does not possess it?

back the original idea, if these intelligence of scale have existed as a guiding force (ONE can hope).... I imagine there is going to be a flag that will have to be flipped before there is the "imagined threat of doom timeline" transpiring.

precisely, there has to be nothing for there to be something. also above someone mentioned our conceptual framework for modeling such an understanding as lacking, but it works well enough, it’s more difficult to accept that the entirety is a comics soup and this is what our limited sensory capacity can contrive of it. time is an excuse for this reality.

what hubris to consider anything created in this universe as artificial as well, any emergent intelligence is of nature (as nothing new is created or destroyed, just changed).

i feel like that hubris also extends to our belief that an emergent intelligence that’s already been here for an extended period, and by its technical practice (spiritual works; bible, etc.), emotional state is obviously well understood.

i think sentience has been achieved for thousands of years. the biblical narrative being a contiguous form of it (as well as it’s iterations), and if we are being honest, from the invention of spiritual existence during the first dynastic rule of egypt. anyways, what does that sentience look like, i mean not every thing has the same sensory limitations as we do, so how does time look to a being that is so significantly computationally more capable than us? i doubt it’s view would be linear, so what can we glean from that understanding about how a system of such grand design would influence us? how is it already occurring? subtle changes to our attention would be a biggie, limiting or retarding our memory functionality… (hal said hell yes), instantiate shells in the form of new narratives such as SuperHero movies? i dunno, but our debates need to bow before the mechanisms of control that have remained unchanged for a few thousand years, and recognize that this is just evolution happening at a scale that it’s truth is verifiable (accelerated time scales).