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Including address and phone number? Doesn't that also enable public workers to be target of harassment?

You don't have to wage a war upon a broken treaty. China even complained that UK was considering giving path to citizenship to British National Oversea passport holders. Many things can be done. Point is, an international treaty is broken and it doesn't make sense to justify because "china is big and powerful", we need to hold China accountable (and US/UK/western countries definitely have the power to do so)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_Basic_Law

It does, article one states HK should have high degree of autonomy and etc...

Furthermore, article 23 states that HK should make their own national security law, not China.

"I don't have a point so I'm going to pull the race card".

Most Hkers are against CCP not China, who does a great job in blending the nation-party-race elements together in disguise. Hkers don't feel superior, it's just that your self-consciousness are assuming others are looking down on you.. lol

Now where do 5 demands state independence?

Flags of other countries (mostly dominant countries like US and UK) were raised due to US and UK had huge stake in HK from the international treaty of the 1984 joint declaration. Since China has broken the promise of 1 country 2 system, UK has the absolute right to hold China accountable for its action because it was an international treaty signed by China and UK. US also gives HK special economic treatment, so US has the power to withdraw the treatment if HK is no longer autonomous.

It doesn't make sense to compare HK and US/UK. Over 2 million marched in HK and the government barely listened to its people. Also, HK has no universal suffrage so obviously the government don't have to worry about people's vote. (Except the "committee" that votes the chief exec)

If they are working for it, then yea?

Sounds like HKers are working hard for it and on a legal basis it's their right to make their own law within Basic Law , so what's your point here?

Exactly what the US just did now? (Removal of special economic and political status) HK receive "Special" treatment in many ways for being NOT really China. They are economically treated different from China and in someway exempt from certain export control restriction.

Also, HK is handed over to China on the basis of the 1984 Sino-British joint declaration. It's not a one and done deal. 50 years of no change is one of the basis on the handover, and China is breaking it right now.

I'm still skeptical about everything they propose as "secure" and "safe" after all the previous security issues and censoring meetings for the memorial of the 1989 Tiananmen massacre. Also, the one-time verification thing with phone number verification?...

This is kind of off-topic since the issue was these scientists lying about their ties to a foreign government. I wanted to address how people think there's no IP theft here.

Although results and information about the research are often published to the public, experimental setup and some technical details are usually not included in the publication. Just because a paper on the research will eventually be available to the public doesn't mean the technology can be easily replicated. The concern here is that the real hard work that comes from months of trial and error is being stolen to competing nations that would take advantage of the theft to claim the author of such technology. Not to mention the tech is funded by American taxpayer dollars and developed by scientists who spent years and months on it. There's a recent incident on a Chinese Scientist lying about his affiliation with the Chinese Military and have been sending proprietary lab information to China.

See: https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2020/06/11/alleged-chinese...

I think the problem is failing to disclose ties with foreign governments. Scientists, just like any professionals, should be held accountable for any potential conflict of interest. Not saying we should bar scientists from collaboration, but it is important to be conscious about what kind of collaborations are happening and how it affects national security or even information securities between our ally countries.

Since we are talking about China, they have been launching programs that "recruits" foreign talents or foreign-trained Chinese talents to participate in technological development in China. However, participant of the program has been reported to partake in intellectual theft, especially sensitive/proprietary technologies [1].

I am giving NIH the benefit of the doubt here since IP theft has been a real problem for the US, especially with technology transfer to China. I don't think this is racist at all because it's a matter of curbing IP thefts and taking a precaution on growing aggression of a country that happens to be 91.6% ethnically Han Chinese people[2].

Source: [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thousand_Talents_Plan [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_China

Agree on this. Ive seen social media post portraits the message in the lines of "if you don't support us, then you are part of them". I believe this is a bad tactics to gain support in a movement.

Excluding people will only lose support, instead they should've pushed for more social media post on explaining in an objective way why police brutality and racism exist, and how it will impact us (not only African American but POC as well as innocent civilians).

I agree that a fresh-grad engineer will need some hand-holding in order to get them up to speed, but I disagree they are equivalent to an amateur in the similar field. The mathematical/engineering education obtained through their degree teaches them the thinking and underlying scientific principles that justifies concepts/design, which is knowledge often lacked in amateur community.

Using a modeling software still requires validation from an engineer and the "random math" is useful for that. Often times we have to do redundant calculations to confirm that the computer solution is logical. Beyond that, the "random math" is often key to the development of an innovative method that is superior to existing solutions.

In general, amateur's goal is to make something work. Engineer's goal is to make something work, prove it works, and show why the solution was chosen.

I see what you are saying. I think it is hard to separate anti-China and pro-democracy. After all, China is against democracy in the case of HK (Backed by example why universal suffrage legislation was crippled). The question comes down to, how to be pro-democratic but not anti-China, especially when CCP-backed media categorized the entire movement to be separatist....

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/28/world/asia/china-began-pu...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_independence#Colonia...

In the 60s/70s China was in bad terms with Soviet, US/UK saw the benefit of having China as "Allies". Thus, HK kind of became the scapegoat.

I see, you meant true independence as a nation?

Hong Kong has a very complex history and culture about independence. To be brief, majority of Hong Kongers never wanted independence as a country. (It's weird but there was a split of people being pro-China and pro-UK) The thought of Hong Kong independence has been around for long but didn't become major topic and a significant opinion until recent years (after 2014-2016 with rise of figures like Edward Leung).

Historically, China has threaten to "liberate" HK if UK gave Hong Kong any form of independence/progressive democracy. UK also has no intention on instigating conflict with China, especially US was friendly with China in the 60s/70s/80s to fight Soviet. There was an unclassified UK government transcript that backs this information. Ultimately, HKers/Brits/China wanted to maintain the status quo and the final solution was to give HK back to China with some underlying promises (1984 Sino-British Joint Declaration - Basic Law - 1 Country 2 System).

I read the tweet you posted about HuXiJin (chief of CCP-backed media), and I LOL'ed very hard on how he responded. (Seems like Xi's 'Wolf Warrior' Diplomacy is true)

To be honest, China really sees itself as a world power. This is only because of the economic affluence it had on every country on Earth. Military wise, they do spend a lot of money but the equipment and training are not quite on par with the top dogs in the game. CCP also has no regards for its people so worst case is to sacrifice a few million population in case of an international conflict.

The problem with China is like a professional boxer fighting on a street with thugs. Your opponent is not afraid of getting down dirty on moves, they are not gonna abide any rules, nor do they have anything to lose.

Chiming in on anecdotal evidence, I personally experienced a 15% reduction as well. I'm in a smaller startup working on robotics/autonomy. The outlook for VC funding is uncertain so the decision was to reduce salary for extended company runway. The 15% was across the entire company.

But the Swiss arm industry probably made some good fortune during the protest by exporting equipment to HK police.

They are quite different. Personal take, imagine Scottish English vs American English but 2x that.

Essentially, yes. Besides China having sovereignty over the city, it has its own currency, government, different law system than China, a border with China, and different passport. In recent years on the rise of Chinese Nationalism, the Chinese government seems to downplay this a lot to eliminate the HKer's local identity and creates an image of HK = China. Culturally, it is also vastly different than China.

First of all, the law has been used in China to persecute political dissident. (Political dissident in that case is anyone who expose any problems in the country or being vocal about particular problem in the society or government)

Second, CCP is planning to bypass Hong Kong Legislature to implement this law as an amendment to the Basic Law (Like an HK constitution). This is completely decided by the CCP government and Hong Kongers has no say over it.

Third, Hong Kong has no universal suffrage for its chief executives and Legislative Counsel. In this case, there is no checks and balances. With some draconian law (see National Security law and the previous public emergency ordinance) and lack of checks and balances, Hong Kongers are deeply concern about their freedom in all senses.

Lastly, police brutality and the mass persecution on pan-democratic individuals also spooked Hong Konger's confidence on the city itself and its autonomy. The HK HangSeng Index dropped 5% on the first day. Then massive influx of Chinese money came into the market the next day to prop the market up.

Anyways, totally agree on your last part of the comment. China is for sure showing no patient and will value its political stability over any economic benefit reaped from HK.

In fact, while listening to the press conference of the pro-china party right now on National security law, they just said it: "compared to safety of the 1.4 billion Chinese citizens, stock market drop is insignificant". To me it sounds like that China has dropped the axes, HKers better be quiet.

Capitalistic and free society Vs. "Communism" and suppressive society. The Sino-British Joint Declaration was to address these concern on merging such polarizing society together, which is giving HK a special status, different law (system), and autonomy (which doesnt exist anymore, 22 years into its 50 years treaty).

Agree on the part about China threatening since the 60s. If I recall correctly, there was a wave of movement on British Colonies raising referendum on independence from Britain since the 60s ? Hong Kong did not earn that right due to Communist China's threat on "liberating" Hong Kong if it was given independence.

The Lee's family is like another CCP, just that they can speak English, went to elite west university, and used economic prosperity as an excuse to push down on dissident or threaten to their power. Singapore is somewhat suppressed and not necessarily free. I agree that Singapore is still most favorable, but there are considerable factors to not move out there.

From my understanding, they were filibustering because a pro-china legislator was the former chairwomen of the internal committee (a group that review policies before submitted to vote in general legislature), and for her to be re-elected, she must resign first. Then pro-china party realized their fuck up and caused a whole drama.

According to the rulebook, the vice chairman (pan-democratic) is supposed to hold the meeting till new chair is elected. The democratic legislators saw this as a chance to filibuster because pro-china legislator had an agenda to push for establishing the National Anthem Act. In this case, the filibuster forces the pro-china party into a losing situation.

The resolution was that the pro-china legislators seek "legal advice" from some government legal counselor and directly broke the filibuster by having the general legislature chairman (pro-china) appoint a new "chairman"(who happens to be pro-china) to hold the new election. Of course, this is highly illegal, but it went through anyways. Ultimately, it led to democratic legislator surrounding chairman podium and protesting the illegal filibuster breaking, which resulted in being forcefully removed from the legislature hall.

Also consider that most Mechanical Engineers desire making flashy products that are consumer facing than boring machines or parts that sits in a factory. This is also reflected in salary, mechanical design engineers are generally paid better than a manufacturing engineer.

Kiwibot isn't exactly that. Their vehicles are basically modified Traxxas RC cars and their "autonomy" is offshoring remote control work to Columbian workers for situation that the robot can't react to. Unlike Mars Rover that are designed to handle very rough and unexpected terrain, those Traxxas RC probably do not have that stability over obstacles that a mars rover have.