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Nah I'll take the cheaper Chinese alternative, this is exploitation.

It was an executive purposefully brought in for legal compliance with that country's requirements. That he was fired is a huge signal in how seriously aggressive zoom is about protecting data that they would even be willing to go up against national governments. I feel like the firing is a huge part of the story.

What an overwrought headline, the employee in question has already been fired.

Former NSA chief joins Amazon's Board of Directors.

https://www.theverge.com/2020/9/9/21429635/amazon-keith-alex...

If you read the article, it says the numerator grew faster than the denominator, and analysts think progress is good and not meeting the target this year is not a problem.

If you actually read the article we already outspend them on R&D. We spent 2.8% of GDP vs their 2.2% of GDP. They failed to meet their target of 2.5% of GDP despite steadily increasing.

Luckily we don't live in a cyberpunk world where corporations are above the state. TikTok is obedient to the state and is still getting banned, the US has no excuses.

Oh please like we need a formal ban to shut things down, it's like America not banning tiktok right?

There were hearings and calls by US politicians to stop Dragonfly, after which it was stopped.

No they didn't, both Facebook and Google decided to quit themselves. Remember Dragonfly? Google just tried to get back into China THIS YEAR and was blocked by the US government. It's the US that's closing access to China not the other way around.

The follow mode is secondary as others said. But aside from that it figures out what stuff you like by tracking things like time spent on videos and dozens of other micro creative analytics that I'm sure would piss off privacy advocates. The end result is a very fine tuned recommendations algorithm that's really adept on its task.

Yeah, it's one of the ones that's doing well and don't seem to suffer much from people getting bored and leaving for fresher networks.

Disingenuous silliness to compare TikTok to a "shitty app". I googled and found this page (not sure how correct it is). https://wallaroomedia.com/blog/social-media/tiktok-statistic...

USA 20 Million MAU in 2018, estimated 70 million in 2020?

As said in some other comments, TikTok does not use a "follow" model, new content is algorithmically recommended to you. Therefore there is no problem with the content creators you're following burning out or your follow list getting stale. For example my highschool friends are no longer that active on facebook, and in 2020 I'm no longer asking random people to add me to FB, therefore facebook is now kind of dead to me. My youtube follows like Ryan Higa etc are burned out, hence youtube is less useful for me. That'll never happen with TikTok because my follows list is irrelevant. I see pretty much only fresh faces with content I'm interested in.

Way undervalued. One chart to explain why the US is doing this:

https://imgur.com/a/PnmijVz

There are a lot of valid usecases for clipboard saving, I don't have an iOS app but I run CopyClip which would be kinda ruined by this "feature".

Hopefully we can turn this off, this is going to destroy usability be very annoying.

Wait, but China is also doing the same. Have you watched any of the press conferences in China? They were frank and forthcoming with information, there were many reddit threads applauding it until everything got politicized around March.

Is anyone going to cry forced tech transfer?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23125450 This comment explains it very well. Biological differences used to explain keeping people in lower status is a traditional idea and long wielded by conservatives. Explaining that lower status with oppression that needs to be changed is a liberal idea.

Just buy Zoom dude.

Hmm only in the context of HN. I don't think the general public reads it in a blaming Zoom way.

It is a terrible limitation of Latin characters that it's hard to read vertically. However the hard coded as images labels is inexcusable. Zooming in causes the images to look upscaled and terrible.

Every time I read about a Zoom "screwup" I see a feature that's UX centric. It's pretty cool tbh.

Zoom is sufficiently end-to-end encrypted for me. https://blog.zoom.us/wordpress/2020/04/01/facts-around-zoom-...

I assume if they do it they'll just be blase about metadata and only encrypt content.

Does anyone know how they're handling the E2E situation? Are they removing it from their marketing or trying to actually implement it?

Yes, I really like the Thucydides trap framework, but this perspective must be seen from the PoV of the current hegemon. None of the Axis powers wanted to fight the US or even Britain, but the Atlanticist hegemon saw the development of Eurasian powers as unacceptable and must be put down.

Factually the virus has not accidentally missed Japan. Japan has a substantial number of cases, on par with countries that are entering danger zones, just seems like there is no exponential spreading.

WHO has commended China for their transparency... your statement is the opposite of reality.