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The real crime here is making six figures and not being able to afford to buy a 1-bedroom apartment. Leftism.

War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength, her penis.

And some people laugh at the notion of staying anonymous online.

but they were also made of vastly better materials than modern home construction

No way this is even close to being true. Newer houses with all the advancements in materials and construction science are much better than the post-war garbage that was spewed out.

I made a small fortune in my early 20s fixing and renovating those post-war houses. They're almost universally junk in comparison.

One surprising thing, for example, is how much the VC and later PAVN controlled the initiative.

That's how a lot of defensive wars go. The US was not strategically attempting to be on the offensive.

With a few exceptions (which Hollywood tends to highlight) the initiative, when to engage and how, was Vietnamese, not American.

Even this is somewhat revisionist. At the end of the war the US was overwhelmingly leading in engagements and pushed the VC out of huge swaths. The VC were so decisively beaten back that they ceased to be an effective fighting force, almost disbanding entirely.

No surprise they won.

Except they lost essentially all the battles.

The Vietnam War is a war where the US won almost every single tactical engagement, but lost the over all strategic war. Very few wars in history end that way.

Another remarkable thing is how well the Vietnamese air force did against the Americans.

Initially. At the end, the US airspace was essentially unobstructed.

Yes - hence the problem with income inequality in the numbers.

Immaterial. You're just announcing to the world that you don't know how "per capita", census tracts, or quantiles work.

The "upper quartile" is so low, it includes people making 60k a year.

Because that's the facts for the median income of the census tract.

During 2009–2013, Beverly Hills had a median household income of $86,141 as an example.

Pacific Heights has a median household income of $125,550 per year.

More granularity in your numbers would show that actually wealthy people don't sign up.

It would show the complete opposite, as it shows with the quintiles now.

It looks like you're using statistics to lie.

No. I'm using statistical FACTS to tell the truth. It's an inconvenient truth that shatters the narrative and the fake news the left has been spewing on this topic for decades, but it's still the truth.

The fact that you just can't handle the truth shows how bad you've been subverted.

It's pretty clear that "wealthy people are overrepresented"

Of course it's clear, that is reality.

only true if you do things like, define "rich" starting at 60k.

The upper quintile for census tract median income starts there. You want to deny statistical fact because it goes against the narrative.

The statistics show clearly that the lower classes (lowest quintile) are underrepresented. Poor people do not serve as much as the upper classes (top quintile) do. QED.

AHAHAHA good one! This is some hilarious post-irony.

What do Apple and large Apple shops do for identity management? Active Directory? OpenLDAP? FreeIPA?

You're talking about a society with HIGHER wealth inequality than right before the French Revolution

Immaterial. The class definitions are in quantiles which means proportional per capita. The facts of the matter is the lower classes are underrepresented, the upper classes are overrepresented.

QED.

and you're defining "upper class" as anything above 60-odd K - an amount that would not allow you to rent a two bedroom apartment...almost anywhere in the USA.

"Upper classes", as in, the top quantile of classes. $60k (2007 numbers) would allow you to rent a two bedroom in almost everywhere in the USA, except the most expensive areas (in 2007). Not everyone is making $300k combined. Your SV bias is showing.

It... Doesn't support your point at all?

It... 100% supports my point absolutely.

Here's the Wall Street Journal

Paywalled opinion piece.

saying the quiet part out loud:

Leftist shibboleth. Not that I'm surprised, but reddit is that way.

It's really hard to say "rich people are overrepresented" and then "who will sign up if we make college free" in the same breath.

Yeah... Because it's an opinion piece from a random contributer that similarly fell for the fake news. Poor Americans are not joining the military in disproportionately higher numbers to pay for college and what have you. That is a fact. If college becomes free, the military can raise pay and sign on bonuses, add other programs, etc. They'll find a way, no doubt.

Divide the government budget by the weighted land values and tax accordingly.

That is pretty much how existing property taxes work.

...that actually supports my point though?

It actually doesn't.

Facts don't care about feelings, but this doesn't support your point at all.

It 100% supports the OPs point: lower classes are underrepresented. Upper classes are overrepresented.

QED.

The OP specifically mentioned "upper classes". It is a fact that the lower classes (lowest quantile) are underrepresented, and the higher classes (highest quantile) are overrepresented [0].

[0] http://s3.amazonaws.com/thf_media/2008/pdf/cda08-05.pdf

Virtue signaling about the topic de jure (BLM, Women at Atlassian, etc.) and how they've sunk hundreds of engineering hours into changing all their repos from "master" to "main" thanks to the heroic work by their Diversity Inclusion and Equity in Engineering team.

Bet they wished they spent those hours elsewhere now.

I guess the human toll of all those things aren't really all that meaningful

Hilarious emotional appeal strawman. You can't even stay on topic after being proven wrong. Remember, New Orleans isn't underwater and it's past 2020.

when it is not visually apparent to an outside observer.

I'm old enough to remember seeing all the pictures and videos of the aforementioned hurricanes. Don't project your ignorance on everyone else.

Which does make this a good example

Yes, a good example of New Orleans still being there, all the highways are still there, the sports arenas are still there, there are over a million people that live there, etc.

"Quick! How do we shut this down!? The narrative must be preserved!"

You might wan't to rethink your example here...

I might not...

Katrina, Harvey, Betsy, 1915, etc. New Orleans is still there. It's not under sea like all the prophecies foretold.

Strictly speaking, it is wrong: there are several areas of New Orleans that have always been above sea level, Bourbon Street being one of the areas.

Katrina, Harvey, Betsy, 1915, etc. New Orleans is still there. It's not under sea.

Should be "Swinger parties and cuckoldry in Silicon Valley" to be more accurate.

I remember reading something somewhere in the 1990s that the entirety of New Orleans was going to be underwater by 2020 and the only way you'd be able to visit Bourbon Street was by boat.

It's sad to see the discussion turn to an attempt to shut down conversation.

I'm not shutting anything down, you're just throwing in the towel because...

I have so many things to do in my day, why would I read that comment?

You won't, because you know you've been proven wrong.

The OP specifically mentioned "upper classes". It is a fact that the lower classes (lowest quantile) are underrepresented, and the higher classes (highest quantile) are overrepresented [0].

[0] http://s3.amazonaws.com/thf_media/2008/pdf/cda08-05.pdf

$65k is where the richest quantile for neighborhood median household income starts, by census tract [0]. The linked report was compiled by Dr. Shanea Watkins, a policy analyst specializing in empirical studies.

Unless you have sources that claim otherwise, my original claim stands.

Facts don't care about your feelings.

[0] http://s3.amazonaws.com/thf_media/2008/pdf/cda08-05.pdf

Because that is reality. $65k is where the richest quantile for neighborhood median household income starts, by census tract [0]. The linked report was compiled by Dr. Shanea Watkins, a policy analyst specializing in empirical studies.

Unless you have sources that claim otherwise, my original claim stands.

[0] http://s3.amazonaws.com/thf_media/2008/pdf/cda08-05.pdf

If you see the data elsewhere, please share.

$65k is where the richest quantile for neighborhood median household income starts, by census tract [0]. The linked report was compiled by Dr. Shanea Watkins, a policy analyst specializing in empirical studies.

Unless you have sources that claim otherwise, my original claim stands.

[0] http://s3.amazonaws.com/thf_media/2008/pdf/cda08-05.pdf

Because that is reality. $65k is where the richest quantile for neighborhood median household income starts, by census tract [0]. The linked report was compiled by Dr. Shanea Watkins, a policy analyst specializing in empirical studies.

Unless you have sources that claim otherwise, my original claim stands.

[0] http://s3.amazonaws.com/thf_media/2008/pdf/cda08-05.pdf

“Upper class starts at $65k/yr” is peak Heritage Foundation.

Yes, peak facts that don't care about your feelings. $65k is where the richest quantile for neighborhood median household income starts, by census tract [0]. The linked report was compiled by Dr. Shanea Watkins, a policy analyst specializing in empirical studies.

Unless you have sources that claim otherwise, my original claim stands.

[0] http://s3.amazonaws.com/thf_media/2008/pdf/cda08-05.pdf

The military.com link is to a military recruiting ad

military.com is a news and information website that covers topics such as benefits to military members, veterans, their families and those with military affinity. Even if there are links to recruiting, this does nothing to refute the facts.

Heritage's business is generating talking points and 'research' for conservative/Republican policy

Reality has a conservative bias apparently. The facts are here for all to see.

Here's a report saying that 79% of US Army recruits come from families with service members.

Which is a meaningless statistic. This number could be the same across all income classes, or again, higher income classes could be overrepresented.

the military is overwhelmingly rural and does not recruit in major urban areas

That is hilariously wrong. Your own sources shows Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Tampa, Atlanta, etc. all in the top counties for recruitment. "Blue cities" != "[all] major urban areas". Your anti-Southern bias is showing.

Also, the officer corps is overwhelmingly white people, afaik, in a country that is only about half white people in that age group.

This is to be expected due to requiring a four year degree, among other things. Whites are slightly overrepresented in the officer corps. The US is 73% White (including Hispanic), and the officer corps is 75.8% White (including Hispanic). Asians are also ever so slightly overrepresented in the officer corps.

You can see the report that covers this here: http://s3.amazonaws.com/thf_media/2008/pdf/cda08-05.pdf

I can easily attack your source(s) as fake news outlets (New York Times especially), but I'm not going to use fallacies like you have here. Your sources simply do not back up your claims.

The richest quantile is overrepresented. The aforementioned report was compiled by Dr. Shanea Watkins, a policy analyst specializing in empirical studies.

Unless you have sources that claim otherwise, my original claim stands.

QED.

And the military is far more likely to be enlisted, so the effect is going to be minor.

Immaterial. You're announcing to the world that you don't understand what "per capita" and "underrepresented" means.

Also that report seems to only consider ROTC and West Point Cadets, and I’d bet both are wealthier on average than the officer corps as a whole.

No it doesn't. It specifically talks about enlistment. Of course officers are going to be from upper classes, a four year degree is a requirement.

sure, but not in combat roles

That is false. Middle and upper class are more likely to serve in combat roles than lower class.

Yeah, just not in any combat duty

That is false. Middle and upper class are more likely to serve in combat roles than lower class.

Combat is for the lower classes, preferably rural poor

Complete opposite actually.