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People sit on their phones?

I’ve heard a lot of denialists push the Tonga volcano and resultant water vapor in the stratosphere as evidence that climate change is more complex than we understand.

I always whole heartedly agree that it’s very complex, but we do know introducing novel gases to various parts of the atmosphere is generally chaotic and something to be avoided when we can.

Everyone here is complaining about the nature of the proposed natural experiment and I’m just here thinking “where are the pockets on OP’s clothes?”

Phones are stored primarily in front pockets that are nowhere near the colon in terms of biology (almost everyone has relatively dense meaty quads and femurs between the thigh and colon) or the inverse square law.

Please don't make personal attacks like that on this forum, it's against the rules.

So is claiming someone didn't read a source when you disagree with their interpretation.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

As someone else who doesn't deal in identity politics, please know I don't care what you think of it and was trying to share information on a forum for the intellectually curious.

No I just think all those quotes reference colonization.

Many people believe that specifically the Irish Pale popularized the statement, but the OED aren't among them.

What are we disagreeing about?

Isn't this a forum for the intellectually curious?

I made no call to action.

I guess I should have known any time the information is something certain people would consider 'woke' it elicits a strong emotional reaction beyond the information itself.

My bad.

And what were those fences specifically used for pray tell.

Incorrect from a formal logic standpoint.

It doesn't necessarily have bearing, but you cannot generalize the way you are doing.

Then no word would mean anything.

You have successfully repeated the opinion of the Oxford English Dictionary after reading an entire article about how the British used Pales to colonize areas and define boundaries, but I'm not sure it's as cut and dry as you want it to be.

What about the link contradicts the point that it's pro-colonialist?

The etymology is in doubt for any particular area, not the concept of what a pale was and how it was used to colonize.

That is the point of "many believe."

Also keep in mind that the major doubter is the Oxford English Dictionary...

we even accepted multiple currencies

You accepted multiple currencies without taking a spread on Forex? How did you convert it for free? Not even actual forex businesses can do that...

Just a periodic reminder that 'Beyond the Pale' is a pro-colonialist phrase that many believe was was part of Britain's Centuries-long campaign to eliminate Irish culture.

https://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2012/12/beyond-the-pale.h...

A huge aspect people ignore is how expensive it is to handle cash. From storage, administration, transportation, loss, etc. it's usually a little more expensive to take cash vs. card.

This is why your grocery store partners with an ATM network to let you take out extra cash at the POS. As long as you're paying the fee, they'll do whatever they can to trade you cash for a digital deposit into their bank account.

There are “people who improperly use data that’s being given to them, like Plaid,” Dimon told analysts. [0]

Amazing how openly CEO's like Dimon will fear-monger about start-ups, when in reality they're just not satisfied with their own team's progress in doing the same exact thing. But of course it's OK when they eventually launch the product.

[0]https://www.finextra.com/newsarticle/37293/dimon-scared-shit...

Just FYI, the stock is down 99% since he joined as CEO in March 2021.

Some of that is market, but TSLA is -15% since then.

Yes. I agree. That was the point I was making.

I'm not saying the company is committing securities fraud, I am saying that if the company created a scheme as described by the commentor I was replying to, then that would be securities fraud.

He is effectively paying for these flights by buying Canoo stock.

If a CEO is intentionally creating a situation to make a company unprofitable and paying it back by buying shares, that is 100% securities fraud and I'm stunned anyone disagreed with that assertion.

My friend, that is not how public companies work.

Every common shareholder is an equal, you don't get to launder jet travel the way he's doing - that's securities fraud.

Great follow up!

Ornithopters are designed by humans who sleep - the complex computers needed to make them work replicate things humans told them to do, right?

It is a very incomplete model of an ornithopter to not include the human.

I think the real issue here is that a CEO who nobody has heard of and is doing a bad job running the company claims that he needs to fly private as a business expense.

It's one think for Zuck or Tim Cook to claim that flying commercial would be dangerous and a waste of time, but the way that attitude has filtered down to very small companies is astounding (especially given the outsized negative impact private jet travel has on the rest of us).

Any reasonable board for a public company that size and a CEO that unrecognizable should at most reimburse first class fare and if the CEO wants to fly private, the delta can come from personal funds.

Here, it's actually fun to respond to your comment in another way, so let's try this out:

Yes, sleep is in fact a prerequisite to planes flying. We have very strict laws about it actually. Most planes are only able to fly because a human (who does sleep) is piloting it.

The drones and other vehicles that can fly without pilots were still programmed by a person (who also needed sleep) FWIW.

Ah a very fun 'snippy' question that just proves my point further. Thank you.

No airplanes do not sleep. That's part of why their flying is fundamentally different than birds'.

You'll likely also notice that birds flap their wings while planes use jet engines and fixed wings.

My entire point is that it is foolish to imagine airplanes as mechanical birds, since they are in fact completely different and require their own mental models to understand.

This is analogous to LLMs. They do something completely different than what our brains do and require their own mental models in order to understand them completely.

Here's the hubris of thinking that way:

I would imagine the baseline assumption of your thinking is that things like sleep and emotions are a 'bug' in terms of cognition (or at the very least, 'prompts' that are optional).

Said differently, the assumption is that with the right engineer, you could reach human-parity cognition with a model that doesn't sleep or feel emotions (after all what's the point of an LLM if it gets tired and doesn't want to answer your questions sometimes? Or even worse knowingly deceives you because it is mad at you or prejudiced against you).

The problem with that assumption is that as far as we can tell, every being with even the slightest amount of cognition sleeps in some form and has something akin to emotional states. As far as we can prove, sleep and emotions are necessary preconditions to cognition.

A worldview where the 'good' parts of the brain (reasoning and logic) are replicated in LLM but the 'bad' parts (sleep, hunger, emotions, etc.) are not is likely an incomplete model.

Thank you for this - the name neural networks has made a whole generation of people forget that they have an endocrine system.

We know things like sleep, hunger, fear, and stress all impact how we think, yet people want to still build this mental model that synapses are just dot products that either reach an activation threshold or don't.

It's the main counterexample to 'The Olympics are good because they force the development of infrastructure that otherwise wouldn't get built' argument.

Many of the weird choices about that airport was made so it would be open and useful for the 1976 Olympics. The location was closer to Montreal (but father from Ottawa) in part to make the international arrival experience better for the fans (not for the long-term users of the airport). The plan was 'International flights in time for the Olympics and Domestic flights a couple of years later' as a way to 'show off to the world.'

All this rushing and purpose-building led to suboptimal decision making that ultimately made it a completely wasted investment.

A similar story can be told about Olympic stadium in Montreal.