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Oh dear, not only is it uselessly vague, seeing the copyright notice owner at the bottom there makes me never want to touch the ESD with any length of bargepole.

The whole argument in that thread boils down to a disagreement over whether tolerance has limits. There is a fundamental paradox contained within the concept of unconditional tolerance. Does one commit to tolerating the intolerant beliefs of others?

The 'social justice' movement contains a faction who ironically insist that the rest of society must tolerate their right to arbitrarily be intolerant of others ('de-platforming'). The idea of "safe spaces" is often used to weaponize a supposed requirement for tolerance as a real application of intolerance itself.

ESR was just being pointed and firm in his assertion that the opposing position was, in his opinion, no longer worth considering. The way he used the well-known idiom "to hell with you and the horse you rode in on" contains the word "you", but was attacking an idea, not a specific person. This tendency to frame deplatforming, which is intolerance itself, as a perverted way of supposedly defending tolerance, is very destructive to honest discourse.

I suspect Hadoop was just used as an example. For another, I would suggest Concourse (build/CI tool). When I tried it, it was docker images for the default install, vague instructions, and a dev forum which seemed rather hostile to anyone asking for support to build or configure outside of containers.

Might have changed since then, but a big turn off.

Amen. I avoid any container-based or blindly 'curl |sudo' install (the latter only after manual inspection of such a script).

Apps which only offer containers are untrustworthy black boxes. And it indicates devs who are too ignorant and/or lazy to make even basic efforts at distribution-neutral or portable code.

Gentoo and Funtoo keep devs honest to some extent, as packages must be built, not just slurped down in whatever alien form the project decided to use.

A related point which has always bugged me... the html script tag has a type attribute. The only valid value, to this day, is "text/javascript".

Why oh why has no one written a runtime for the major browsers for others, say "text/python", "txt/golang", ... Anything other than javascript?

Once an alternative engine were in the major browsers they would hopefully take off as the world's hackers enhanced them.. and we could finally be freed from the shackles of a language designed in a weekend and bandaid-ed ever since.