PoorBloke123

This article is the biggest bunch of rubbish that I have read in months. It takes bias to whole new levels. People are starting to realize that "studies" are almost always biased in the first place and should not be trusted. Secondly, look at some of the examples used:

A comparison is made between:

25% of black kids had parents who grew up in the bottom two levels* and moved up at least one.

and

59% of white kids moved up

Notice any difference here? The whole article is like this. Comparing completely separate things. This is laughable. I feel embarrassed by the bias and sorry for those who read this article with a straight face.

The people you describe are not the people I am describing. What debt do poor Americans have? they can't even get credit. These immigrants I describe live in ghettos along with the US born poor but guess which ones move out and into a nicer neighborhood in ten years? Trust me, debt means nothing. We have this thing called bankruptcy. I know plenty of people who were in debt, declared bankruptcy and started over with a clean slate, they built themselves back up. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Since this page states" "Most illegal immigration is not included" I'd like to see one of these representing the flow of illegal immigrants (especially from and across Mexico) since Obama won his first election (and second).

A better question might be, why do poor US born Americans make poor decisions while poor legal immigrants (regardless of race or color) arrive with nothing and make wiser decisions. These first generation immigrant often escapes poverty within 15-20 years (albeit with very hard work). Their children are more successful then they were and far more successful financially than the US born American's children.

Knowing some of these people immigrant and US born poor the answer is quite obvious to me. No study needs to be conducted, only casual observation. Here are the key differences.

The influence of the US culture is obvious in the US born American. He expects more for less effort (entitlement), he is more easily discouraged when facing adversity, he expects someone to care for him and hand him all the tools and opportunity, his expectations are polar opposite of the immigrant (who expects nothing but what he has earned with his bare hands). He is disillusioned easily and when discouraged, drinks or abuses drugs to forget his problems. He supports liberal or socialist ideals because he feels that they will put cash into his pocket and bring down the wealthy people who "oppress" him. The US born minority (non white) thinks the cards are stacked against him, the minority immigrant sees other minority immigrants who have created wealth and aspires to replicate their success despite it's challenges.

The culture of the US born poor person comes from the media (not just news - all media) they consume and the media saturated people surrounding them. Plain and simple that is the most corrosive thing. Secondarily, the idea that these people must be helped out, they don't have to fight through adversity to succeed. This is the worst thing you can do to a man. A man must be a man and have a fighting will to survive and flourish. If you make him a dependent, you are extinguishing this flame... perhaps forever.

Some of the immigrants I know come from socialist countries and they are coming partly to escape from them. They respect the opportunity to work hard and succeed whereas the US born man does not. Americans have been given too much, they watch too many TV shows and other media which slants their view of reality and what life really is like. They have been over medicated and indoctrinated with views that are unproven and those which claim they are proven "cannot be replicated" (psychological studies).

America needs to look back to see what has worked for us when we were great, take some good things we have now that have worked and put some other things back to the way they once were.

The most revealing thing when looking at immigrants is how by the third generation, they hardly stick out from the lazy culture that their grandparents were so different from.

TLDR: America is too liberal, has too much cheap crap from China (materialism) and watches too much Garbage TV and other media and is too medicated. We are lazy. An immigrant of any color comes over here and works his ass off, escaping poverty.