Letters to the Editor: Misleading Mathematicians [pdf]

http://www.ams.org/notices/201506/rnoti-p613.pdf

by RhysU • 11 years ago

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wooster• 11 years ago

The referenced article is available here: http://www.ams.org/notices/201502/rnoti-p165.pdf

mherdeg• 11 years ago

Received 9 February, published in the June/July issue; I wonder why such a long turnaround time for a short letter?

(The publication is more or less monthly, see at http://www.ams.org/notices/201506/ ).

Someone2• 11 years ago

long? If you look at http://www.ams.org/notices/201410/rnoti-p1268.pdf (google “AMS notices backlogs” for other years), few journals beat that for papers, and many go way over that.

And yes, a short letter is different, but they might have a backlog of other letters to publish, may not want to limit the amount of letters per issue, and, for all I know, that June/July issue might have gone to print in May.

Even if the editors worked at infinite speed, in the end, this still is a paper journal with its limitation on number of pages, ratio of articles to reviews to letters, etc.

Someone2• 11 years ago

Long? If you look at http://www.ams.org/notices/201410/rnoti-p1268.pdf (google “AMS notices backlog” for other years), that is fast for a paper in a mathematical journal.

Yes, this is not a paper, but they may have more letters queued up, and this may actually be surprisingly fast. That June/July issue might have gone to print in early May.

In the end, this is still a print journal, with its limits on page counts, expectancies of ratios between articles, reviews, and letters, etc.

scoop18• 11 years ago

I wish the authors had focused on the design of DUAL_EC_DRBG, since that's a more objective and compelling response. Mathematical features of the standard make very little sense without a backdoor, and the original article provided essentially no justification. Rather, it attempted a distraction by pointing to alternative configurations and standards.

The authors might also have focused on the NSA's consistent refusal to deny that it backdoored DUAL_EC_DRBG. It is difficult to see what intelligence harm could come from such an acknowledgement. After the Heartbleed issue went public, for example, the NSA quickly denied that it had previous knowledge.

Unfortunately, the authors focus on NSA skullduggery and misconduct, citing primarily to non-expert (and semi-sensationalist) reporting. That's not very surprising, since Bruce Schneier is an activist critic. (As is Green, I'm not familiar with Heilman.) I think it undermines their case, though.

EthanHeilman2• 11 years ago

Mathematical features of the standard make very little sense without a backdoor, and the original article provided essentially no justification. Rather, it attempted a distraction by pointing to alternative configurations and standards.

I agree and would happily sign a letter which made this case. The argument for a DUAL_EC_DRBG backdoor is overwhelming.

Unfortunately, the authors focus on NSA skullduggery and misconduct, citing primarily to non-expert (and semi-sensationalist) reporting.

My primary objection, I can't speak for the other signers, was Wertheimer’s misleading claims that the NSA does have a history of such skullduggery when there is also very strong evidence to the contrary.

We cited:

1. propublica.org, as a source for a direct quotes from NSA documents.

2. reuters, who are the primary source for the claim that the NSA paid RSA 10 million to make DUAL_EC_DRNG the default.

3. blog.cryptographyengineering.com, Matthew Green's writing on this subject. Matthew Green has published an academic research paper at a top venue on DUAL_EC_DRBG [0] and is a Cryptography Professor at Johns Hopkins.

4. Mollin's An Introduction to Cryptography, a Cryptography textbook. Richard A. Mollin was a Cryptography expert [1].

5. Johnson's "American Cryptology during the Cold War: Book III" a History of the NSA written by the NSA.

Three of the five are experts within their areas. Two are from well established news organisations.

[0] http://dualec.org/

[1] http://leydenscalgary.sharingmemories.ca/site/Richard-Mollin...

EthanHeilman2• 11 years ago

The original blog entry which we modified into the letter to the AMS:

http://ethanheilman.tumblr.com/post/108115952435/a-response-...

Letters to the Editor: Misleading Mathematicians [pdf]

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