What Makes Indiana's Religious Freedom Law Different?

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/03/what-makes-indianas-religious-freedom-law-different/388997/?single_page=true

by sarciszewski • 11 years ago

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sarciszewski4• 11 years ago

Can someone ELI5 why any business would want less money just because some of their customers are gay?

Even if you're against homosexuality, as long as you're not participating in a sexual activity with a member of the same sex, it shouldn't make a difference.

Even the homophobes I grew up with understand this point.

It just seems like a lot of people in Indiana have very poor business sense.

lmz• 11 years ago

But should they have the freedom to have very poor business sense?

sarciszewski4• 11 years ago

Insofar as the market allows.

jstalin• 11 years ago

It's a purely emotional issue. It doesn't need to make sense.

sarciszewski4• 11 years ago

Yeah, but their weakness (turning away customers because of sexuality) is also a business opportunity.

xname2• 11 years ago

You understanding is wrong. Not because customers are gay. The Christian bakers do not against gay people, they just do not want to make cakes for gay wedding. It's a huge difference.

Should a Christian church be forced to host a gay wedding?

Can you force a Muslim restaurant to serve pork meat to you? If a Muslim restaurant does not allow you to bring pork meat into their restaurant, is it a discrimination against you?

If your argument is that religion cannot be allowed in any business decision, you are the one totally lost sense.

sarciszewski4• 11 years ago

The Christian bakers do not against gay people, they just do not want to make cakes for gay wedding.

This sounds like there's a great business opportunity to open gay-friendly bakeries throughout Indiana.

Should a Christian church be forced to host a gay wedding?
Can you force a Muslim restaurant to serve pork meat to you?

No, but if their businesses fail because of a boycott -- or rather because everyone prefers altenarives -- I'd consider it sweet justice.

venomsnake2• 11 years ago

I love how religious freedom and freedom of speech are used to make opt out anything you don't like for corporations.

ku5e2• 11 years ago

The Constitution protects your right to free speech. Do you really understand what is being protected?

The Constitution protects your freedom of religion. Do you really understand how it is protected?

The Constitution says, "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union..." Then in the Bill of Rights (the first 10 amendments) the freedoms of the people are listed. Another way to look at it is the "Limitations of the Government" are listed.

Therefore, the 1st amendment protects your right to religious freedom, by saying "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;". If you read it carefully, you will see that the intention was to prohibit the government from making any law for or against religion. Even a law protecting you against someone elses religion would be illegal. However, it does not protect you from the Jehovah's Witness trying to give you that Watchtower, nor does it protect that JW from getting yelled at by me to get the fuck off my porch. It does however, protect the JW from having a cop arrest them for giving out the Watchtower.

Get it, it protects you from the Government not from other people.

The same amendment goes on to add "or abridging the freedom of speech". If you fix it, it would read "Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech". Again NO LAW shall be made. In other words, I can tell you to shut up, but the government cannot.

These statements are pretty straightforward and absolute. The quicker we all get this the better off we will be.

So your statement is true for corporations and individuals. So you could opt out too. Like it or not this is how the founders wanted it to be. And I am glad for that. Now lets make sure the government knows that these are limits on them not us!

venomsnake2• 11 years ago

And this rights should be solely reserved for physical human beings. Not for business entities.

What Makes Indiana's Religious Freedom Law Different?

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