Germany Moves Away from U.S.-Dominated IoT Standards Groups

http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/03/18/germany-moves-away-from-us-dominated-iot-standards-groups/?mod=ST1

by yahliwharton • 11 years ago

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niche• 11 years ago

W3C Multimodal Interaction standards

Sanddancer• 11 years ago

Not everything that needs interoperability can, nor should, use HTTP/HTML. For me, IoT includes very small devices still with only a few K of RAM, and requiring an HTTP/HTML stack in amongst everything else will just serve to push up prices and add needless complexity.

legulere• 11 years ago

It probably will be a failure just like DeMail. I have a pretty bad outlook for the future of our country.

macco• 11 years ago

Why?

DasIch• 11 years ago

Large infrastructure projects in Germany usually fail, projects involving the internet or technology especially so.

If there is such a thing as a most wrong stereotype, german efficiency is it.

hengheng• 11 years ago

To tangentially answer your question (with only little relation to the rest of the thread), we're getting old much the way Japan does, and we're doing very little to help it. The average German is 45, ageing to 50 in the next 15 years. This has direct consequences on the political discourse, choosing a status quo mentality over the innovative stance we used to have.

iamcurious• 11 years ago

In comparison to which other countries?

mkramlich• 11 years ago

interesting

I didn't know there was ever a real thing named De-Mail. I named a fictional email-like service De-Mail, in my book The Dread Space Pirate Richard. it's closer to Reddit than email, however.

My take on De-Mail was that of a forum & messaging system where you can never be sure if anything you see or hear in it is true or honest or factual, in whole or in part, but at least it's entertaining or stimulating, and that's what mattered most! there's a major comedy piece written around it.

alricb• 11 years ago

FWIW, they call it "Industrie 4.0": www.plattform-i40.de/

pokoleo• 11 years ago

"You knew what I was when you picked me up," said the snake as it slithered away.

xnull6guest• 11 years ago

Surprised not to see comments in here about the use of international standards to fix markets in the favor of one country's exports (versus another's) and for the associated backdooring of technology and standards.

"The agencies, the documents reveal, have adopted a battery of methods in their systematic and ongoing assault on what they see as one of the biggest threats to their ability to access huge swathes of internet traffic – "the use of ubiquitous encryption across the internet".

Those methods include covert measures to ensure NSA control over setting of international encryption standards..." - http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/05/nsa-gchq-encryp...

"Simultaneously, the N.S.A. has been deliberately weakening the international encryption standards adopted by developers. One goal in the agency’s 2013 budget request was to “influence policies, standards and specifications for commercial public key technologies,” the most common encryption method." - http://www.propublica.org/article/the-nsas-secret-campaign-t...

The Snowden leaks themselves have the GCHQ congratulating the NSA in frank terms for controlling and exporting international standards, noting how it has driven great gains for the US.

Given that Germany was one of the victims (including the companies mentioned in the article) of standards-based cryptographic subvertion - the only suprise in this article was that it took Germany this long to announce their own initiative.

One can also surmise this as an indicator that the NSA is back to the usual and that IoT standards are being actively influenced for sabotage.

jpfr• 11 years ago

For machines to communicate over the web–essentially sending data from sensors back and forth from cloud-based servers—there needs to be a standard software protocol.

For IoT in general, there will be very fragmented protocols.

For _industrial_ use cases, the clear winner is IEC62541, aka OPC Unified Automation [1]. There is no real alternative, so that issue is basically already settled. And from a technical point of view, its actually quite good.

[1] https://opcfoundation.org/about/opc-technologies/opc-ua/

Germany Moves Away from U.S.-Dominated IoT Standards Groups

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