How Silence Works: Emailed Conversations with Four Trappist Monks

http://www.theawl.com/2012/06/how-silence-works-trappist-monks

by sergeant3 • 11 years ago

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splat• 11 years ago

Small nitpick: the Trappists are not the only Western order that practices the "vow" of silence. There are a couple of other orders which are smaller than the Trappists: the Carthusians, the Hieronymites, and the Monks of Bethelehem. (There might be more.)

The Carthusians, in particular, are quite rigorous and notoriously reclusive. Only family members are allowed to visit them, and even then, only once per year. There was a documentary made about them in 2005. The director asked the charterhouse if it would be possible for him to film them in 1984. The monks responded that they needed some time to think about it and replied sixteen years later that he could film them if he wanted. The Trappists, Carthusians, and the Catholic Church more generally, live on a very different timescale than we are accustomed to. Reading these interviews from them is wonderful.

davebindy• 11 years ago

Silence, and specifically unnecessary "chatter" is also a major tenet of the Benedictine rule. Some monasteries follow it more strictly than others. (I believe the Trappist and Carthusians in particular are "reforms" of Benedictine practice.)

The documentary was "Into Great Silence" by Philip Groning. For those of us who live "in the world" it can be a challenge to watch because it moves at a really glacial scale, but ultimately, I think, it's very rewarding to see that life doesn't have to be led with so much hustle and bustle.

Monks tend to live by a completely different sense of time than the rest of us. It's been said that they don't think in terms of years, but centuries. I've managed the site for a Benedictine monastery for almost 20 years, and I've long since learned that even the smallest things are very, very carefully considered. For example, it took them nearly two years from the time I proposed it to okay an email list for their publications. This is something that would have been a 24 hour decision for a "business." However, dealing with them and getting to know several of the monks pretty well (in person and via email), they've taught me that sometimes slowing down is definitely a good thing.

teleclimber• 11 years ago

Ironic that the article is served with automatically-starting audio ads alongside.

shiggerino• 11 years ago

After almost a decade of silence thanks to AdBlock it's hard to imagine what browsing the web is like for other people.

nosuchthing• 11 years ago

  "I wonder if a lot of the cultural complexity you refer to 
  seems interesting to people because they have lost so much 
  consciousness of [their] ancestors and the long view 
  afforded by a knowledge of history. If you don’t know 
  history, everything today can seem quite novel. But in the 
  larger context of the story of human history, much of what 
  fascinates, today, is quite redundant."

Great insight on the contrast between how this Monk community lives with the modern world (paying taxes, working with USDA, financial planing), yet pays no attention to the hypermedia of internet and television that so many people are enveloped in.

Phithagoras• 11 years ago

For anyone looking to learn more about Trappists, "The Seven Storey Mountain" by Thomas Merton is quite a famous account of the life of a Trappist monk.

virtualwhys2• 11 years ago

Father A's truth speaks, such clarity.

Buddhism has been my guide for many years, by virtue of the fact that the philosophy and practice are so pure, without trappings, without a "thing" to belive in (quite the opposite, the core teaching is non-self, which is to say, neither the existence of a separate self, nor the existence of a non-separate self -- honestly, I'm not sure what remains).

And yet, this notion of sin that Father A brings up, something rings true; it's as if the busy-ness of life, one's myriad interests, etc., are all just covering over, just avoiding that which must be faced; without doing so it seems even a "rich", fulfilling life is lived on the surface of an ocean deep (i.e. from the POV of a monastic/mystic).

jalcazar• 11 years ago

he does!

The following quote is a jewel: "If you don’t know history, everything today can seem quite novel. But in the larger context of the story of human history, much of what fascinates, today, is quite redundant."

virtualwhys2• 11 years ago

Sure, I was more affected by:

My own impression is that life in the world provides many diversions which guard a person from really engaging the battle with sin, and can even render him quite insensible of its existence.

Where Christianity's "sin" is Buddhism's "ignorance", the source of all suffering.

The great 13th century Zen master Eihei Dogen said [paraphrasing], "teaching which does not feel like something is being forced upon you is not true teaching".

Father A is a true teacher.

ternaryoperator• 11 years ago

For all the times I grumble to myself about HN losing its hacker focus, it's articles like this that make me nod and recognize all is well.

unoti• 11 years ago

I've learned through experience that decoupling the link between your brain and your mouth can change your life and make you a better person.

Years ago on HN I discovered the No Complaining Challenge[1]. I took the challenge, and continued it far beyond the 21 days, because it took me about 6 months to go 21 straight days without complaining. It took me some number of weeks to realize that the "let it all out" and "get it off your chest" thing is a myth that makes things worse rather than better. I discovered that I needed to reprogram my brain to complete the challenge. And the amazing thing to me was the discovery that it is indeed possible for me to program my brain, and to change how I think. It made me a better person, and I still years later strive not to complain. Recently I've also begun working hard not to judge other people, and let people be who they are.

Seneca also talks about how to train your brain to make yourself happier[2].

[1] http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tim-ferriss/no-complaint-exper...

[2] "Letters from a Stoic" is a good place to start. https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/93900-epistulae-morale...

muraiki2• 11 years ago

This article made me recall my experience when I spent a few days at the monastery of Iveron on Mt. Athos. Briefly, Mt. Athos refers to a mountainous area on a peninsula whose northern border is made fairly inaccessible by mountains; situated on Athos are 20 main monasteries and many dozens of smaller monasteries and "cells". Athos has been home to monastic communities since around 800.

I remember one day when my friends who traveled with me and I, along with many of the monks, were working on polishing a good amount of brass items outside. My friends and I were talking about all sorts of topics as we did our work, and fairly loudly at that. I don't recall how exactly it happened, but I suddenly became aware of the fact that we were the only ones talking. The monks were diligently polishing in silence and probably trying to tune out our banter for the sake of paying attention to their work and remembering God. Of course nobody scolded us or told us to be quiet, but for whatever reason that only made me feel even more embarassed!

Now something mentioned in the article is that in the monastery, one has to face oneself and the Adversary. When I first came to Iveron I experienced a great peace and focus. But in only a few days, I saw how the simplicity, silence, and stillness of life made me come face to face with myself.

When it came time for meals, we ate in a large communal hall. Everyone ate in silence while one monk read something for spiritual edification, such as the life of a Saint. Although the monks generally don't eat meat, fish, or dairy, at times of feasts they will have fish and dairy. One day they served an absolutely delicious meal of fish and cheese on roasted eggplant. Then a few days later it came time for leftovers... I got a plate of beans, while someone near me got the dish I loved. And at that moment I became acutely aware of my utter lack of thanksgiving -- that I had food, that I was being served with such hospitality, that I could even make such a trip across the world -- because I was instead consumed with envy of my brother and his meal of fish. It was thanks to the quieting of my mind through the life of the monastery that I was even able to recognize this fact. But in seeing this weakness, this missing the mark (one translation of "sin"), I was given the opportunity to correct it.

There is also a different kind of silence that I experienced. Morning services at the monastery began fairly early; around 4:30 if I recall correctly (and many of the monks had already been up for their private morning prayers). One of my favorite memories of my trip was walking outside to the church at 4:30 because Athos has absolutely no light pollution. I had never before seen the arms of the Milky Way so clearly, and the sky was filled with countless stars. I find this to be an illustration of what we can see when we can move past the noise in our lives: it was only the "silence" of the lack of light pollution that allowed me to behold the true beauty of the sky.

In this silence, what we are really trying to behold is the Image of God in every person, including the ways in which we have obstucted it in ourselves. This silence is the silence of our judgments against others, our envy of others' blessings and accomplishments, our assumptions about the crosses others do or do not bear... all of the noise that prevents us from having true communion with other people -- and with God -- in an authentic and loving way. This silence reveals to us just how broken we ourselves are, and in so humbling us helps to eradicate all of the noise we inflict upon our neighbor and ourselves.

If you'd like to learn more about silence and the life of the monks on Mt. Athos, I recommend "The Mountain of Silence" by Kyriacos Markides.

vijayr• 11 years ago

How did you get to go to such a place? I mean, what is the process? Do you have a link? Do they allow anyone to join them?

muraiki2• 11 years ago

To ensure that the monks aren't heavily disturbed, there are various restrictions on visiting times. Things were slightly easier for me as I was not only making pilgrimage but also visiting a friend of mine who was a novice at Iveron (and has since become a priest-monk). Going to Mt. Athos, while an incredible experience, requires quite a bit of preparation: not only should you be familiar with Orthodox monastic and liturgical life, you probably will also either want to know Greek yourself or have someone with you who is fairly fluent in Greek. As such, a better starting point to exploring monasteries is to find one close to you where the monks actually speak your native language. :)

To get a taste of Athos you can watch this short documentary online, where the monks gave unprecedented access to the tv news show 60 Minutes: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mt-athos-a-visit-to-the-holy-mou...

I should add that the book I previously mentioned, "The Mountain of Silence," provides a very approachable introduction to Orthodox monastic life (which is really the Orthodox Christian life lived in a particular mode), without requiring any religious background. The author himself is writing from the perspective of an anthropologist, although I think at the time he was also a lapsed Orthodox Christian. Suffice to say that a relatively non-religious friend of mine really enjoyed the book. :)

All that being said, more info on visiting Mt. Athos is here: http://www.athosfriends.org/PilgrimsGuide/planning/ I should note that Athos does not allow women visitors, but there are similar monastic communities for women. This is not at all intended to be sexist, but is part of the asceticism of Athonite monasticism in particular. Previously women have settled on Athos, and the monks simply let them live there -- they ended up leaving of their own accord. Also, the monks sheltered families of Jews during WW2, which of course included women.

Edit: I forgot to respond to your question about joining. More details can be found here: http://orthodoxwiki.org/Monastic_Ranks

How Silence Works: Emailed Conversations with Four Trappist Monks

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