GNU Emacs conversion to Git

http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2014-11/msg00548.html

by kfogel • 12 years ago

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unwind• 12 years ago

Actually that was yesterday. :) I was confused for a moment, starting to think ESR was due east which is not expected (I'm in Europe).

http://savannah.gnu.org/git/?group=emacs looks valid although I didn't try cloning.

talles3• 12 years ago

A little more context here: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2014-01/msg00...

talles3• 12 years ago

I wonder if launchpad.net still bazaar only? Anyone knows?

Argorak• 12 years ago

The front page says it in the very first paragraph: https://launchpad.net/

bazaar is the provider for code hosting.

talles3• 12 years ago

Yes, but what about after you are inside it?

Maybe they do offer other options but aren't really proud of it, at least not enough to put it on the first page.

Anyway, I really think being bazaar-only it's a loss for launchpad. PPA's are great, but most people I know don't want learn bazaar just for it.

apetresc• 12 years ago

I'll admit, I had no idea Eric S. Raymond was still actively involved in emacs development.

abusque• 12 years ago

He's not really actively involved, though. He's just been on a crusade lately to eradicate unwanted VCSs still used in older projects, including CVS for NetBSD and bzr for emacs. Honestly I'm glad he's doing it, I'm hoping it might make it more likely for newcomers to contribute to these projects. He has posted quite a few articles about these conversions on his blog [0], if you want to read about it.

[0] http://esr.ibiblio.org/

vezzy-fnord• 12 years ago

Wonder if he's tried to evangelize on the OpenBSD mailing lists yet? The smackdown from Theo would be amusing.

To some extent, it's good he's doing this. To another, very few VCSs other than SCSS can really be called "obsolete", just primitive. Most of the time, people who go on about VCS migrations seem to be just bikeshedding and can't seem to give out specific justifications other than listing features that the upstream project likely doesn't need. It's not trivial either, changing a VCS often means changing the entire way a project is structured, for often uncertain gains.

codemac• 12 years ago

esr knows how much of the open source community's success is driven from social factors as opposed to technical factors. I'm excited with his progress as well.

Scuds• 12 years ago

First I've ever heard of Bazaar (bzr). Sponsored by Canonical.

It's a smidge ironic that ESR himself is migrating a project away from it. :)

RyJones• 12 years ago

Look into reposurgeon and his blog posts about such.

http://catb.org/~esr/reposurgeon/

arundelo• 12 years ago

I don't think he is, but one of his main current projects is a conversion tool for revision control systems.

http://www.catb.org/~esr/reposurgeon/features.html

cplease• 12 years ago

No, ESR has never been involved with Emacs development. He has a history of invading prominent free software projects on the strength of his "hacker" cred, pissing all over them with his pet peeve of the day, insisting on making easy and unnecessary changes of shoddy quality, often at the expense of more important actual development that is underway, and then bragging about being Prominent FreeSoftware Developer to boost his dying hacker cred.

The only stand-alone software project ESR has truly driven himself is fetchmail. Fetchmail. Enough said.

jaybuff• 12 years ago

Apparently the only feature emacs is missing is spellcheck.

elwell• 12 years ago

Flyspell, but good luck getting to run in MS Windows.

RBerenguel• 12 years ago

I did back when I used emacs in Windows ME and XP (yeah, long time ago, happy non-Windows user for quite a few years)

astine• 12 years ago

Run Emacs through Cygwin and Flyspell works just fine.

I doubt ESR is posting from Windows anyway.

shoover• 12 years ago

Works fine with http://aspell.net/win32/ and two lines of elisp.

ww520• 12 years ago

Here's my .emacs setup for spell checking in Windows [1].

    (setq-default ispell-program-name "c:/Aspell/bin/aspell.exe")

For on-the-fly spell checking in various modes.

    (add-hook 'org-mode-hook (lambda() (flyspell-mode 1)) )
    (add-hook 'text-mode-hook (lambda() (flyspell-mode 1)) )

[1] http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/AspellWindows

josteink2• 12 years ago

Thank you for challenging these other fine gentlemen on this one point.

Just today I was just looking into why I wasn't getting automatic flyspell-mode activated on my Git commits. Now it seems I wont even need to research it further :)

wglb• 12 years ago

I think that 'jaybuff was being a little sarcastic. There are some howlers in OP.

tobiasu• 12 years ago

Finally you guys can all start sending patches to emacs. /s

mongrol• 12 years ago

Yep, first up. Replaceing elisp with javascript!

malandrew• 12 years ago

Why? Scheme would be a better choice.

ForHackernews• 12 years ago

I'm curious why he doesn't like git.

jessaustin3• 12 years ago

But he does. From last week:

But I got to thinking, early this morning, about the fact that I haven’t been able to settle on just one VCS. I use git for most things, but there’s a use case git doesn’t cover.

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6502

rtpg• 12 years ago

Kind of weird because you can totally wrap git for this use case as well (not like you need to commit all changes to your working set into one commit, and pretty easy to filter per-file changes).

A fun-seeming exercise anyways, I guess it doesn't matter what tool you're using underneath.

rudolf0• 12 years ago

He didn't say he didn't like git; he just said he prefers Mercurial.

hardwaresofton• 12 years ago

Awesome, this is going to make it much easier for lazy people (who are used to git/like git more than other options) like me to contribute to emacs.

fletchowns• 12 years ago

Every maintainers dream, lazy contributors!

josteink2• 12 years ago

To be fair, if you want contributors, removing every needless roadblock they may encounter is certainly a worthwhile goal.

Using some archaic VCS which nobody has heard of, and which may or may not be available on your platform of choice, certainly doesn't help herd contributors to your project.

bronson3• 12 years ago

All contributors are lazy: http://threevirtues.com/

dschiptsov• 12 years ago

bzr is so strange. If its connection got stalled (third-world GSM or WiFi) its "stream" would hang. If a process has been killed due to a signal, garbage would remain. And if you run bzr check it will use about half GB of traffic, as if comparing the whole repo byte-by-byte.

git is much saner.

tedks3• 12 years ago

And yet, this is the help page for git push:

        Updates remote refs using local refs, while sending objects necessary to complete the given refs.

That's helpful! Thanks Git!

kinghajj3• 12 years ago

And for hg it's:

Push changesets from the local repository to the specified destination.

:s/changesets/objects :s/local refs/local repository :s/specified destination/remote refs

Is it really that much less easy? Both require that you understand the nomenclature chosen by their respective systems ('objects'/'changesets', 'refs'/'repository').

Jacky800• 12 years ago

The repo "git clone git.sv.gnu.org:/srv/git/emacs.git" is not yet active.

https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2014-11/msg00...

GNU Emacs conversion to Git

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