Maps attributed to Marco Polo sketch what looks like the coast of Alaska

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/did-marco-polo-discover-america-180952765/

by randallsquared • 12 years ago

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benbreen2• 12 years ago

This is utterly fascinating (regardless of whether they're genuine, forgeries, or something in between). But this quote strikes me as key here : "As Olshin is first to admit, the authenticity of the ten maps and four texts is hardly settled. The ink remains untested, and a radiocarbon study of the parchment of one key map—the only one subjected to such analysis—dates the sheepskin vellum to the fifteenth or sixteenth century, a sign the map is at best a copy."

Which raises the possibility that the maps are forgeries from the sixteenth century, not the twentieth. It seems like a giant logical jump to conclude that the carbon dating to the 15th/16th century just means that these are copies of older, authentic maps rather than fakes from the early modern period, when knowledge of the Alaska coast would have been more likely via Spanish or Portuguese expeditions in the Pacific. Sounds like an interesting book though, regardless, and it does seem like the author of the book (if not the article) goes out of his way not to claim that they're genuine.

Turing_Machine3• 12 years ago

Even if they are from the sixteenth century, it would still be something of a mystery. The voyage of the Russian ship St. Gabriel in 1732 (~200 years later) is generally believed to be the first time Europeans reached Alaska. The first Spanish expeditions to Alaska didn't occur until the late 1700s. Also, the suggested geography depicts the Aleutian Islands, and I'm pretty sure the Spanish never made it that far. The Russians were moving into the area in force by that time period -- the approximate boundary between nominal Spanish territory and nominal Russian territory was around Sonoma County, California. And then the British came in...

It's certainly not beyond the realm of possibility that Chinese traders (or perhaps Chinese trading partners) had ranged that far. Certainly a lot of the furs that the Russians and British took out of the region wound up being trafficked into China.

benbreen2• 12 years ago

It is indeed possible that Chinese trading vessels may have reached the Kamchatka peninsula and the Aleutian Islands. The more unlikely part here is that those voyages would have been made known to a random Venetian barbarian who happened to be passing through, and that said Venetian would be able to obtain such detailed maps. If I were going to come up with a hypothetical explanation for the maps beyond 20th century forgery, I'd say that it's more likely that some 16th century Manila galleon strayed a bit north on the return trip to Acapulco and did some secret mapping. The Spanish Manila route actually got surprisingly close to Alaska: http://historicphilippines.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/ru...

That's a stretch too, of course. But the Spanish were extremely secretive about their cartographic knowledge so the mere fact that there was no official announcement of a discovery doesn't necessarily mean they didn't know about it.

dalke• 12 years ago

Dating the sheepskin vellum to the sixteenth century just means that the vellum is from that time. It doesn't mean the ink is from the same era.

The text that was on the vellum might have been scrapped off, perhaps simply to reuse the vellum (making it a palimpsest), or as a deliberately forgery on older material.

Thrymr• 12 years ago

Another possibility is of a modern forger using old parchment, in this case perhaps not contemporaneous with Marco Polo, but still hundreds of years old. This is a known technique of some forgers.

trumbitta2• 12 years ago

Last time I checked, Marco Polo was supposed to never have visited china and all the rest, but based his work of fiction on reports heard in venezia by traders.

maaku2• 12 years ago

It is by no means a clear-cut case. Some of the things reported by Marco Polo (e.g. paper money) were completely unknown in the west and middle-east at the time of his purported travels. He gets a remarkable number of things right, and fails to get certain other stuff wrong as one would expect of someone that hadn't actually visited the court of Kublai Khan.

Maps attributed to Marco Polo sketch what looks like the coast of Alaska

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