What happens when National Geographic steals your art?

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by playhard • 12 years ago

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zaroth2• 12 years ago

They apologize and offer to pay a fair and reasonable licensing fee?

It sounds like someone sold NG a license for art that wasn't theirs. NG was also a victim here, it's not a lottery ticket for the artist.

I'm sorry the art was stolen, I'm glad they are trying to make it right by offering to pay ~10x his going rate.

lxmorj2• 12 years ago

Wouldn't it be standard policy to, say, use Google's reverse image search to see who owns the image? I just did and it's pretty damn clearly his. Not bothering to check a two-second site with 99% results sounds pretty willful to me.

sounds• 12 years ago

I agree.

Just ask yourself if National Geographic would let you dictate terms of a settlement because you claimed "someone sold [me] a license for art"?

If National Geographic doesn't like copyright law, they should come out publicly against it, not threaten a drawn-out lawsuit against the artist. On the other hand, now that they're obviously caught violating it, it's time to pay up.

Anything else is neither fair nor reasonable. Trying to get back to the simple licensing the artist offers _law-abiding_ licensees is not fair or reasonable.

National Geographic is welcome to go and pursue damages against their "someone" who sold it to them.

drivingmenuts• 12 years ago

So, someone steals the front page artwork for your site, doesn't give you the proper credit and then offers you a mere pittance of what they'll make in sales and you're OK with that?

Capitalism shouldn't suck only for the little guys.

proexploit2• 12 years ago

The license isn't based on the amount of sales. He licenses it for $300. I get that NG has more money than he does but I don't think it's relevant in this situation.

zaroth2• 12 years ago

I think the most interesting question is how would you even go about proving 'willful infringement'?

It's interesting that the NG lawyer walked through the steps required for providing the $150k case. If you can convince him that those requisite facts are likely to be demonstrated, you will get a lot more money.

So I did some more research on the image in question. Honestly this sounds like something NG should have caught. I'm having a hard time imagining there's someone in NH who didn't recognize the image, and ensure it was properly cited. It's the cover image of a major issue, that should be something you get right.

If their process is so terrible they can't catch this image, then their process is willfully bad, and you can get them for $150k. It fails the De minimis test.

So I think that's the retort. Ultimately it's a bluff up until the point where you file a civil action. Tell them you'll take them to small claims and do it yourself if you must, there's definitely more money in it than $3k.

That said, I think NG does right by these letters. They have to start somewhere, and it's not by offering $150k up front. It was not aggressive and seemed genuinely apologetic. If they can give a plausible explanation of how this happened and what they are doing to ensure it never happens again you may find it wasn't actually willful.

proexploit2• 12 years ago

Whenever I see an article like this where only one side of an email chain is posted, it makes me question the content. The start of the NG email reads "I must respectfully disagree with the implication set forth in your reply email that statutory damages for willful infringement in the range of $150,000 per work are applicable to this situation.". That makes it sound as though his email may have just reach out and said "You guys are so screwed, you do realize stealing my shit is going to cost you $150k right?". How would that prompt anything other than a carefully crafted response from a legal team?

sauronlord• 12 years ago

<sarc> I'm so sorry to hear that they took what is yours and that you no longer have access to your creation.

</sarc>

Since when did copyright infringement be made equal to theft?

aneeskA• 12 years ago

If there are other artists who have faced similar treatment, is it not possible for all of them to file against natgeo together?

What happens when National Geographic steals your art?

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