Open source bike comparison and review

https://bikeindex.org/blogs/introducing-bikebookio

by bike_index • 12 years ago

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bike_index14• 12 years ago

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abengoam• 12 years ago

I parsed it as (open source bike) comparison and review, not as (open source)(bike comparison and review).

PhineasRex• 12 years ago

I did this as well and was rather disappointed with the reality.

I wonder if there are enough open source bikes for a worthwhile comparison.

bike_index14• 12 years ago

Clearly we need to make some. There was that cardboard bike guy?... But I think that flopped. The future is yours!

moron4hire• 12 years ago

What materials could we use to prototype? Cheap materials and rapid construction should probably take precedent, to ensure speedy iterations by a large number of people.

jakejake• 12 years ago

Same here, I thought it was going to be "open source" as in part lists that people had used to build their own bikes.

The site still looks useful and probably will be even more so when there's more bikes to choose from.

Doctor_Fegg• 12 years ago

This is relevant to my interests. :) Is there/will there be a data dump?

Someone• 12 years ago

There's an API from which, as far as I can tell, it is easy to make the dump. The data also seems to be on GitHub: https://github.com/bikeindex/bikebook/tree/master/bike_data

fmela• 12 years ago

So the only way to contribute more information is via pull request? That requirement excludes the vast majority of the kinds of people who would be willing to contribute more bike information (namely, people who ride bikes, work in bike shops, etc.)

tagawa2• 12 years ago

A good idea, especially with its open API, but I can't see any reviews or how to add them. Am I missing something?

toggle• 12 years ago

I think this is for "just the facts." You would use this data on your own review site.

tagawa2• 12 years ago

Thanks. Maybe they should change the title/tagline as it's a bit misleading.

revelation• 12 years ago

Sadly, the data seems rather shallow. Look at the output from one of the example API requests:

http://bikebook.io/?manufacturer=fuji&year=2014&frame_model=...

They have somewhat seperated the data into component groups, but individual parts are not identified, so I can't search for all bikes with a specific brake lever or tire of certain size, since its all just unprocessed raw strings.

bike_index14• 12 years ago

Definitely something we're working on. We got the data in raw strings, if you have ideas for how to parse stuff, contact me, seth at bikeindex.org

atourgates• 12 years ago

Horray! This is an idea I had a few months ago, threw around in my head, and realized it's something I'd never have time to build.

I'm thrilled that you have!

For those of you who aren't super-familiar with the agonizing process of choosing the proper bike, I'll try to clue you in.

Say you wanted to buy a Full-suspension 29'er from a well-known manufacturer for about $2,900. You'd narrowed your choices down to the Giant Anthem X 29er, Trek Fuel EX 8 29er and Specialized Stumpjumper FSR Comp 29er.

At this point, if you wanted to know which option gave you the best value in terms of components, you'd have to obsessively comb over the manufacturer's sites, and (if you're like me) possibly build your own spreadsheet that listed every "important" component from the bikes you were considering.

Now, you can just go to http://bikebook.io/, select the models you're considering, and look at features side-by-side.

Then, quite honestly, you should just ride them all and pick the one you like the most based on how it feels, but that's beside the point.

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A couple suggestions:

* When comparing models, I think that a table-view with individual features lined up would be more useful than the current comparison view. That way I could quickly scan between models.

* I noticed some areas that could benefit from increased granularity. For example, right now if I look at the "Trek Fuel EX 29" I see that it has a single field for "Rear Suspension" that reads: "Fox Evolution Series Float w/DRCV, CTD (climb-trail-descend) damper, rebound, tuned by Trek in California, 7.25x1.875"" - That's nice, but I think it would be more helpful (especially when comparing to other bikes) if that data were split up into something like:

Rear Suspension - Travel: 184mm

Rear Suspension - Manufacturer: Fox

Rear Suspension - Model: Evolution Series Float

Rear Suspension - Features: DRCV, CTD (climb-trail-descend) damper, rebound, tuned by Trek in California.

That way, I could quickly scan across the comparison page and realize that if I chose the Trek over the Specialized, I'd be leaving a full 11 mm of travel on the table?! OMG, how could I even consider such a thing?! I feel like such a fool.

But seriously, this is wonderful. Spec-obsessed bike nuts everywhere owe you a debt of gratitude.

bike_index14• 12 years ago

Thank you thank you thank you! We're excited about it too and pumped that you see how useful it is.

We're definitely working on parsing things better, and I agree, tabular view might be beneficial. We'll work on making it a pretty table.

sbrother• 12 years ago

This is bike related, not tech related, but I couldn't see "Full-suspension 29'er from a well-known manufacturer for about $2,900" without wondering why the GT Sensor 9r Expert didn't make your list. I have the 2013 model, and it kicks ass if you're looking in that category.

adolph• 12 years ago

Yes, and frame geometry too.

listic3• 12 years ago

Looks interesting.

Do you consider selecting by bike category (e.g. I don't know all makes and models but say I'd like to narrow my search to just folding bikes or hybrid (cross, Wheel size 700c) bikes?)

Do you accept suggestions to expand the list of brands? I would like to see Author http://www.author.eu/en/

bike_index14• 12 years ago

We're prioritizing brands based roughly on the number of bikes registered on the Bike Index from that brand. So register more Author bikes and it'll happen.

And yes, category search would be nice. It's something we'll work on.

listic3• 12 years ago

I guess most of your users are US based and this is... more a European brand maybe? I don't know, I live in Russia and it's quite popular over here. I guess it's a decent budget-minded brand, though many people (who ride cheapo bikes) consider it overpriced.

mianos• 12 years ago

I am making a sports training system and this will be a great way to embellish the data for the bikes people enter in. I am 100% going to give this a try. I am also willing to share back the bike models that people put into my system that are not in yours.

cag_ii• 12 years ago

Is there any plan on adding data for size/geometry? (arguably one of the most important things to look at when comparing bikes)

bike_index14• 12 years ago

Yes

codr2• 12 years ago

Cool idea.

Would love to see frame weights added, along with complete bike weights.

Not seeing Raleigh, Focus, and a bunch of other brands listed. Will more be added?

bike_index14• 12 years ago

Absolutely more will be added.

And any listing of bike weight is bullshit. You have to find the bike and weight it, because manufacturers weigh different things (and different sizes). So we won't be adding that.

listic3• 12 years ago

Yes; the weight seems to have become so speculative that many brands boycott stating it in the specs at all. In fact, I don't know of any brand other than Author who states weight. I kinda look at it, to compare between different Author models, but that's all I can do with it; I'm not sure if it would be fair to compare weight between models because every company weighs differently and there's some unfair speculation seemingly going on.

codr2• 12 years ago

Not sure I'd go so far to call it bs.. ballpark figures are better than nothing!

At least the listed frame weights are somewhat less subjective than complete bike weights - and there are a bunch of people that definitely care about that kind of "minutiae".

aalpbalkan• 12 years ago

It is pretty good you have lots of brands already in your database, however the comparison UI is not much helpful. e.g. an end-user of bikes might not understand what 105, Tiagra, Ultrega means and just showing specs is not enough IMO. How about you also compare components one by one in rows of a table for each bike and then greens/reds tell us which one is better?

pimeys• 12 years ago

It's not always so easy to say which component is better than the other. A good example are Shimano systems: if you compare Ultegra with Dura-ace, depending on your use, either one of them can be the better choice.

For people like myself, this is quite useful service. It would be even better to quickly find similar bikes in the same price range and compare them together.

And please, add Rose bikes to the database...

ChuckFrank• 12 years ago

Great idea. Unfortunately, I believe that you've shared it too early. I poked around and found little except some image scrapping and possibly a link. I also think the idea of qualitative reviews or even ranked reviews could help tremendously. I love it on Amazon when people do their own product comparisons and post the results. Right now I feel like it stays to close the manufacturer catalog information. A great version of this would give good push back on that data with customer reviews and responses. Good luck with it. Show us again in a couple of months when it's nicely populated.

jzwinck2• 12 years ago

This is interesting. BikePedia is the site I'd currently go to for stuff like this. And at least for the bikes I have direct knowledge of, BikePedia has more of the bikes and fewer errors. For example, in 2005 we have the Trek 2100 WSD which you say has 700/650x25c tires (correct) but 650b wheels (incorrect). The 1500 WSD in the same year lists 700x25c tires only, despite that the smallest versions came with 650x25c instead--a critical distinction. And the derailleur specs are wrong too (BikePedia has the right ones).

I'd contribute corrections if it were right there on the page like Wikipedia, but probably not if I have to go dig for something to edit in GitHub. And I'm less motivated to contribute to a project which for some reason has worse initial data than the existing sites. I wonder where the errors came from.

Similarly, does the site simply rely on people adding whatever bikes they feel like? It seems odd that Detroit Bikes is a listed manufacturer but LeMond is not. LeMond was a fairly significant brand until a few years ago, and there are lots of used ones on the market--unlike Detroit Bikes which I imagine most people have never seen before.

bike_index14• 12 years ago

Yeah, but bikepedia is ugly and isn't useable on mobile. It also, most importantly, doesn't have an API.

We actually asked bikepedia multiple times if they had an API, or if we could help build one and were told they weren't interested. So we built a prettier, more useable, open source solution. The kinks will work themselves out.

jzwinck2• 12 years ago

Respectfully, your site is not as usable as BikePedia on a laptop computer. Here are some suggestions:

Let me change the model year without having to select the model again. BikePedia has quick links for this, so I know right away what other years there are.

Have the comparison tool default to something smart, such as the same year and manufacturer, rather than starting the second bike totally blank.

Add some sort of filtering to help people find bikes they might want ("about three years old, MTB, Shimano XT or similar").

nl• 12 years ago

Looks pretty useful!

A few notes:

Each page should have a unique URL. That makes it a lot more sharable.

Different markets have different bikes. For example, the CAAD X Sora (http://www.cannondale.com/catalog/product/view/id/31945/s/ca... - I'd link to it on Bike.io but I can't...) isn't available in Australia. For other manufactures we get bikes the US get - I know Cervelo had different options in Australia to the US. Edit: Another example; Giant Australia has a Revolt 1 (http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-au/bikes/model/revolt.1/149...) which you don't list.

Comparison pages need shareable URLs too - you'll get a lot of traffic from forums if people can share direct links.

In the absence of categories, showing prices next to the models would be a useful stopgap measure.

Edit 2: No way to reset the app when you want to start again.

bike_index14• 12 years ago

We have shareable urls now! Just added them in. just copy the link on the bottom of the bike.

Also prices. That was a good suggestion.

Thanks!

doorhammer• 12 years ago

I don't think this is exactly what you're shooting for, but I'd love to see a site like http://pcpartpicker.com/ except for bike parts, and even if it's not what you're going for, they might have some interesting features or ways of doing comparisons that you could use.

I recently used it to configure a pc, and it was a pretty awesome and smooth experience nabbing parts, and figuring out the best place to buy them online/locally. Saved me around $200 or so on my build over the lazy way I used to do it, which is just buy on newegg.

Whenever I build a bike, I go with a frame, and then buy all my own components. An easy way to summarize components, find new ones, compare weight, reviews, etc, and save parts I have to know what I don't have to buy at a glance, etc. would be killer.

gotninjaskills• 12 years ago

This is awesome and could be very useful. Can't wait for more data. No Dahon yet on the database.

chris_wot• 12 years ago

Will there be an option to choose a colour for your bike shed? If so, how will they make it happen?

websitescenes2• 12 years ago

I love this! I am a programmer by week and bicycle shop owner on the weekend. I build the website, point of sale and app for the shop while my partner runs most of the day to day. I would love to use the API to pull in relevant bicycles to the website and app for the shop.

bike_index14• 12 years ago

Great! Sending you an invitation to register bikes on the Index through Chuck's Bikes too.

websitescenes2• 12 years ago

Thx! Just signed up. Chuck's Bicycle Repair will support you guys however we can.

juaninfinitelop• 12 years ago

Do the bike companies have API's as well or how'd you manage to get the data?

kimmel• 12 years ago

The content is not licensed creative commons. The code to the actual site is not open source, only the code to use the API. I would not call this an open source project or a major win. A major win would be a uniformly licensed content base that is CC-BY and they provide data dumps.

It is a slight improvement over bikepedia but not by much.

bike_index14• 12 years ago

Ummmm? What? Yeah, Everything is open source and is in the repo. ALL THE DATA IS IN THE REPOSITORY. The repository is deployed, as is, to the internet, it has no database - the data is in the bike_data folder.

You can view the code here, https://github.com/bikeindex/bikebook at the same place the link in the BikeBook footer goes.

It is AGPL, so not creative commons. This is the license the Bike Index is under, so we just went with it. We'll consider a different license for the BikeBook, because maybe that makes more sense. Thanks for bringing it up.

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