The State of Hy

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by Foxboron • 13 years ago

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madhouse3• 13 years ago

I've been using Hy for a while (in production too), and while it has its rough edges here and there, it is a million times more pleasant to use than python. But I hate python with a passion, so there's that. Bidirectional interop is fantastic, too - at one place, they're using Hy without knowing, because they just import a python module, which happens to be Hy. I find that both funny and an awesome achievement at the same time. Every time I look at that deployment, I can't help but feel geeky pride.

A real fun language, one which matured a lot within the year. Keep up the good work!

jonesetc2• 13 years ago

I hate python with a passion

Genuine curiosity as to why. I've heard arguments against using it because of speed and type-issues, but you're using a derived language that doesn't change either of those things. I've never heard anyone just blatantly dislike the language itself.

adamtulinius• 13 years ago

Inconsistency? Sometimes Python feel (i think) like an OOP-lang, other times like an FP-lang.

madhouse3• 13 years ago

I hate significant whitespace, and the syntax of Python (not enough parens; allows crazy oneline hacks with comprehension, yet still forces indentation otherwise; blindly following pep8 often results in horrible mess of a code, etc).

Hy gets rid of both the significant whitespace, and the syntax too. Yet, allows me to have bidirectional interop, so people using my modules are none the wiser, as long as I make a little effort to remain python compatible (macros used only internally, and not exposed in the API, and using valid python names for functions and other stuff).

Scriptor2• 13 years ago

People might also be interested in http://try-hy.appspot.com/.

Does anyone know how they do sandboxing in there? Judging from the source (https://github.com/hylang/tryhy/blob/master/main.hy) repl.eval is called on each expression. I'm guessing it just uses App Engine's default python sandboxing.

Foxboron4• 13 years ago

Yes, its app engines default sandboxing in use.

Scriptor2• 13 years ago

Is there any way to restrict your app's environment beyond the default sandbox restrictions Google applies? For example, disabling things like urllib2.

rayalez• 13 years ago

I'm new at programming but I really want this language to succeed, it looks amazing, I would love to use it a lot.

I've made a g+ community about it, who's interested - welcome: https://plus.google.com/communities/112523471857971507059

Keep it up guys! =)

resu_nimda• 13 years ago

So, with the recent hipster attitude of posting a “State of ” every year...*

This is off-topic, but, what? The concept of an annual State of X report is nothing new, and I don't see how it ties to "hipster attitude" in any way.

That word means less and less every day. Sure, who cares, but it's just lazy to throw it around any time you want to be edgy.

Foxboron4• 13 years ago

I was trying to be funny, and was indirectly reffering to Clojures "State of" posts. I know the fact that "State of *" is nothing new. But hey! Gotta try!

houshuang• 13 years ago

Is there any larger apps or libraries written in Hy? Would be great to see examples of "real-world" code outside of the tutorials etc. Wonder how it would be to use this for data analysis with Pandas/Matplotlib etc. IPython integration?

Foxboron4• 13 years ago

There is adderall https://github.com/algernon/adderall

and paultag wrote snitch https://github.com/paultag/snitch

There are people using Hy in production, but that code isn't out. A good way to see Hy in action is looking at our tests/native_tests section. http://github.com/hylang/hy

madhouse3• 13 years ago

I have about a thousand lines of Hy in production, but sadly, that code is not open source. I am, however, working on porting a few Clojure libraries to Hy, those will appear on my github profile (github.com/algernon/) in the coming months.

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