Everybody Let's Stop the TPP: Share These Videos and Spread the Word

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/10/everybody-lets-stop-tpp-share-these-videos-and-spread-word

by DiabloD3 • 13 years ago

133 35 13 years ago

camus• 13 years ago

USA and Europe will have the same kind of "agreement",it's called something like the trans atlantic partnership => bad for EU workers and bad for USA workers , especially since nobody asked us ( Europeans ) if we agreed on this or not. It will only be good for big corps and banks. And nobody's talking about it.

majke• 13 years ago

Excuse my ignorance, but I don't understand why this kind of agreement is necessarily "bad for EU workers and bad for USA workers"?

Can you explain?

MikeCapone• 13 years ago

While there can be good and bad things in a new deal, we also have to look at what we have now. Tariffs reducing trade to shield groups with political clout from competition aren't exactly a good thing...

patmcguire2• 13 years ago

Oh, I was confused for a while. You're talking about this one, no? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transatlantic_Free_Trade_Area

bzmwillemsen• 13 years ago

Where are the facts in this video? it's all chorus.

HoochTHX• 13 years ago

http://whytheheckshouldicareaboutthetpp.com/?f=3&q=1

paulrademacher• 13 years ago

His question was: where in the video are the facts?

ferdo2• 13 years ago

It's hard to know the facts because much of the TPP negotiations and data are being kept secret:

"Lack of transparency: The entire process has shut out multi-stakeholder participation and is shrouded in secrecy."

- https://www.eff.org/issues/tpp

snowwrestler2• 13 years ago

The TPP is a multilateral trade agreement, all of which are negotiated in private by national representatives, then presented to their respective national governments for ratification. In the U.S. the TPP will require Congressional approval, which will be a very public and long process.

Basically: the stuff about "secrecy" is pure scaremongering. There's nothing special about the way TPP is being out together.

shmerl• 13 years ago

If you want facts, require TPP to be open. It's not, so stop it until it's too late.

AmiiJewels• 13 years ago

There seems to be a lot of scare mongering in that video which doesn't help put the point across.."franken-foods"...really? GM foods are and will continue to be a great leap forward in sustainable, scalable agriculture.

I still have no idea what the "TPP" thing is...when I look at the other sources I just get things like "you will be banned from being able to modify the save file on your game"...huh really? What if I only support indie developers and publishers who don't enforce arbitrary restrictions? Vote with your purse etc.

And then there are a lot of the "it could", "it might", "possibly"...reeks of the same politics where "death panels" and other bullcrap comes from...following the sources and reading the actual proposals it is much less sinister.

http://whytheheckshouldicareaboutthetpp.com/?f=10&q=6 - The words "unauthorized" should be in there...which has a much less powerful point.

Present a reasonable, scientifically backed argument...then maybe I will listen.

chrischen• 13 years ago

The issue with "franken-foods" is, I'm guessing, that brands will not have to label if a food has GMO in it. I thought the US already doesn't require this?

Basically, it's some sort of anti-consumer deal (presumably, because consumers have no input in it).

Improperly labelled food would impede consumer choice (and thus voting with your purse). Given how popular the organic movement is, labeling food as containing GMO would probably be a significant factor in influencing consumer purse-voting habits.

knowaveragejoe• 13 years ago

And they shouldn't be required to do so. Most foods today are GM in one way or another. It will just become a sign for consumers to stay away from those products when there's really no good reason to do so.

seanica• 13 years ago

The Wikileaks Party does a good job of summarizing some of the agenda.

http://www.wikileaksparty.org.au/why-australians-should-be-w...

patmcguire2• 13 years ago

'Under the TPP, if a company believes an Australian law endangers its “expected future profits,” it can challenge the government at an investor-state tribunal. This tribunal has the power to overrule Australian laws and levy fines against the Australian state.'

If true that's nuts. Even the WTO only lets you do tit-for-tat.

seoguru• 13 years ago

As Elizabeth Warren said:

“I have heard the argument that transparency would undermine the Trade Representative’s policy to complete the trade agreement because public opposition would be significant,” Warren explained. “In other words, if people knew what was going on, they would stop it. This argument is exactly backwards. If transparency would lead to widespread public opposition to a trade agreement, then that trade agreement should not be the policy of the United States.”

watch her here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=kAgJaIwdXLI

democracynow has more info out yesterday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS-x5SlcPPM

twoodfin2• 13 years ago

This is a pretty silly argument from Sen. Warren. Put aside the fact that she can't even be bothered to ascribe the argument to any named individual, nobody's arguing that the agreements themselves shouldn't be public and "transparent".

A modern trade agreement represents a balancing of a huge number of private interests. Some will benefit and some will be harmed, but the overall outcome is expected to be positive for all sides. Achieving that balance will require concessions from both sides. It is an extraordinary restraint on the capabilities of the USTR if they must worry about every concession they offer (which may never even make it into the deal) being trumpeted to the rooftops by domestic political opposition.

This is really common sense. It's the same reason the military base closure commission deliberates in private, or, for that matter, why the U.S. Supreme Court does, even with no direct electoral politics at issue.

hrktb• 13 years ago

reading the actual proposals it is much less sinister.

The whole point is that there's no public discosure of the proposals and only some leaked documents from a year before. If you have more information, please share.

Keeping a sceptical view and expect the worst case scenario out of these talks is the healthiest stance I think. We can always dismiss these when reasonable and scientifically backed arguments point at the contrary.

novalis• 13 years ago

"GM foods are and will continue to be a great leap forward in sustainable, scalable agriculture."

I see a lot of data that contradicts that statement, time and again. Is that a general feeling you have on the subject and/or does that get backed up by published numbers ?

drnooo• 13 years ago

Why are the bad guys always white? And what do top hats have to do with it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=p3Kl...

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