Techno Viking Takes Youtube Uploader To Court

http://pulseradio.net/articles/2013/01/techno-viking-sues

by dinosaurs • 13 years ago

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aw3c22• 13 years ago

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aw3c22• 13 years ago

Weird piece.

It says things like "[punishment] would send a confusing message to Youtube uploaders everywhere, so it will be interesting to see how the German courts approach this matter." In Germany there is the so called "Recht am eigenen Bild" which means you cannot just film random people and share the images or even exploit them for money. This is a law specific to Germany. Its application does not mean much for "Youtubers everywhere".

I strongly support this as a matter of privacy. Gawking is creepy.

And before someone says some "but he was in a public space, he was at a public event" yadda yadda: See KunstUrhG §23 (2) "Die Befugnis erstreckt sich jedoch nicht auf eine Verbreitung und Schaustellung, durch die ein berechtigtes Interesse des Abgebildeten (...) verletzt wird."

terolacu3• 13 years ago

> In Germany there is the so called "Recht am eigenen Bild" which means you cannot just film random people and share the images or even exploit them for money. This is a law specific to Germany

I don't think that law is unusual, in Argentina we have it too, and sounds like something very basic anyone would want (though creeps don't seem to understand it, and act surprised when they realize such law exist, and start complaining on their lack of freedom and whatnot, lol). I thought it kind of came packaged with the IP laws that the US pushed everywhere.

anExcitedBeast2• 13 years ago

How about filming police, or people activity participating in crime? And if you allow exceptions for that, who's to decide what constitutes crime and what happens to people who film perfectly legal acts that look suspicious?

shin_lao• 13 years ago

The same law exists in France, it's called "Droit à l'image", which is the exact same meaning than "Recht am eigenen Bild".

chez17• 13 years ago

I'm sorry, but if you are literally marching down the street in a parade, you lose the claim of "privacy". I understand the "exploit them for money" part and I agree with that part of your argument. However, the "cannot just film random people and share the images" seems, to put it bluntly, insane. If you march in a parade down the street, people can take pictures and share them. There is absolutely zero expectations of privacy when you march in a public parade down a public street.

masklinn• 13 years ago

> I'm sorry, but if you are literally marching down the street in a parade, you lose the claim of "privacy".

I'm sorry but different countries have different sets of laws, and it turns out there are whole legal systems which disagree with your overly broad assertions.

Actually I'm not sorry at all, you are in serious need of a clue.

twistedpair3• 13 years ago

Having lived in Germany (Muenster) for 4 months, I noticed they have many such laws Americans would be aghast at. For example: blue laws that enforce family friendly working hours for stores (i.e. 9-6), laws that keep your employer from snooping on you, a two year required warranty on consumer electronics.

It comes down to how you want to live your life. While Zuck bombastically preaches that "privacy is dead" and the rest of us American sheeple fall in line, those in Germany have seen the worst of authoritarianism under the Nazis and the Soviets and have chosen how they want to live. Not a bad idea.

darkchasma• 13 years ago

Who knew there were these things called democracies that allowed their people to create their own laws!!! I understand that America usually "encourages" other countries to follow their laws, but it looks like some freedom still exists, as tiny as it is...

Shorel• 13 years ago

How they dare to have laws and expectations different to the ones in my country?

Outrageous!

Xylakant4• 13 years ago

> I'm sorry, but if you are literally marching down the street in a parade, you lose the claim of "privacy".

True and that assertion holds as well in germany. The issue with the techno-viking video is that he is not shown as part of the parade, but specifically and personally filmed and made the center of the video. This is the point where it crosses the line from filming a public parade with the techno viking being part to filming the techno viking as a person. The first would be completely legal, the second requires a permission of the person.

ryusage• 13 years ago

Very strange to me as an American. So would you actually get in legal trouble if you took a picture at a public event?

praptak• 13 years ago

Nope, as long as you don't publish it.

jpdoctor• 13 years ago

> Weird piece.

And the techno festival known as Fuckparade wound its way down Rosenthaler Straße didn't even warrant a mention in your list of weirdness.

dreen• 13 years ago

He should challenge the uploader to a dance-off instead.

Nobody survives being over-danced by Techno Viking.

Nux• 13 years ago

Techno Viking is actually awesome! He should embrace his popularity. :D

hnal943• 13 years ago

I disagree. When you sue, you lose your awesomeness.

sschueller• 13 years ago

If he sued for the profits the guy made then I would still see him as awesome. Take down however is not awesome.

cies• 13 years ago

Techno Viking on HN... It made my day. His guy is a legend.

They say he's "The only man who could kill Chuck Norris", to me that is an understatement. I'd say "The reason Chuck Norris does not dare to visit Berlin" is more accurate.

illuminate• 13 years ago

Chuck Norris does not leave the States because he's a hatemongering bigot who would get "the vapors" at gays being treated like human beings.

I really wish his meme would die already.

Splendor• 13 years ago

Agreed. I just replace "Chuck Norris" with "Mr. T" anytime I read one of those memes. Makes more sense that way.

wikiburner• 13 years ago

Best version, in case you haven't seen it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dIUM4LRVsE

joetech• 13 years ago

http://www.neatorama.com/2013/02/21/Technoviking-Sues-Filmma...

NegativeK• 13 years ago

Can anyone comment on how a model release would apply to a situation like this if it were to occur in America?

Techno Viking Takes Youtube Uploader To Court

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