Western internet censorship: The beginning of the end or the end of the beginning?

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Western_internet_censorship:_The_beginning_of_the_end_or_the_end_of_the_beginning%3F

by vaksel • 17 years ago

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andreyf• 17 years ago

I'm not sure if blocking a specific URL is the solution... it seems trivial to mirror content on the internet, and so any attempt to block specific content can't be accomplished via black-listing specific URL's... but even if real filtering of data were technologically feasible, it's completely defeated by end-to-end encryption like SSL, which could easily become standard if ISP's start inspecting your packets for "black-listed material".

So moral issues aside, this is a huge waste of effort no matter which way you turn it.

Herring• 17 years ago

Good luck mirroring youtube, or all of the thousands of pages on the list. And you're out of luck if mirroring defeats the purpose of your site (eg gambling sites & that dentist site).

tpyo• 17 years ago

It's really ironic that Wikileaks.org is down...

tomjen2• 17 years ago

It wasn't down for me. You are sure you aren't behind some censorship system.

sho• 17 years ago

It's a sickening feeling that we ever have to consider this possibility.

I'm in Australia. I tried to look at wikileaks last night, it was "down" - the first thing that came to mind was being blocked. It was only after I asked some overseas friends on IM that I knew it was actually down down.

It's just like a free trip to China! I loved playing the "will this web site load" game there too - now I can play it at home!

vaksel• 17 years ago

its back up now

epall• 17 years ago

This just sounds to me like the next step in a game of cat-and-mouse. What innovative technology can we geeks develop to circumvent these censorship systems?

Celcius• 17 years ago

We don't have to innovate anything, we already have VPNs. As long as the content exists on the Internet, one can asume that you will be able to access it from somewhere so the only action you need to take is route your traffic to that place before accessing the content.

With Tor it is so easy to go around these things that you install a program and push a button to have your trafic bypass any and all national filters, if only more people dared to put up servers so Tor wasn't so extremely slow.

baltoo• 17 years ago

> You cannot apply a technological solution to a sociological problem

- Edward's law

The problem, I think, is precisely the one you highlight:

> If only more people dared to put up servers

"Society" can make it so that it's "dangerous" (for given values) and, more importantly, uninteresting (for the masses) to use the new tech, and thus it remains a non-solved problem, which could herald a bleaker future.

niels_olson• 17 years ago

Secure Computing (a DARPA-funded network "security" company, not to be confused with the Trusted Computing chip), can identify and block Tor traffic. Have tried.

http://nielsolson.us/Haversian/2008/06/fascist_bias_in_censo...

tomjen2• 17 years ago

A DNS server - that is all it takes to beat the Danish version anyway. Or you can use the hugely innovative OpenDNS.

jerf• 17 years ago

No need to develop them, they already exist. See Freenet, for example.

The problem with them is that they work a little too well. I'm probably in the 99th percentile (globally) in what I will defend as "free speech" and even I can't stomach the idea of running a Freenet node, between the content I'm not willing to defend as free speech, and the content that I may be willing to defend as free speech but have no desire to subsidize monetarily. It's going to be challenging getting much critical mass out of a system that can carry wikileaks-type info.

Raphael_Amiard• 17 years ago

Well, without wanting to throw myself into sarcasm, because my english skills won't be good enough, i found that really scary to say the least. Maybe someone can provide us some historical background about censorship ?

One side of me feels like, it seems OBVIOUS that this kind of things (censorship) have been going on since a very long time, and that we may not be living the worse moment of human history concerning that matter.

But on the other hand, i can't help but feel like the power to punish people trying to circumvent censorship has never been so great and ubiquitous.

fearfull• 17 years ago

To the best of my knowledge I am not behind some censoring scheme, here in the UK my ISP is very liberal (did not block Wikipedia in the child pornography scandal) however I am unable to access wikileaks.org or mirrors they all time-out. I am slightly worried by this... please tell me wikileaks.org is down?

bwillard• 17 years ago

http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/wikileaks.org

phil_collins• 17 years ago

More like the beginning of the beginning.

Western internet censorship: The beginning of the end or the end of the beginning?

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