Economic Recovery - Slight, but significant

http://money.cnn.com/2009/03/02/news/economy/personal_spending_income/?postversion=2009030211

by Logic-Shop • 17 years ago

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m0nty• 17 years ago

Slightly increased spending does not equal an economic recovery: "economists expect consumer spending to remain weak in the months ahead as the economy continues to deteriorate."

izyboyd• 17 years ago

"In the meanwhile the adjustment of US consumption and savings is continuing. The January personal spending numbers were up for one month (a temporary fluke driven by transient factors) and personal savings were up to 5%. But that increase in savings is only illusory. There is a difference between the national income account (NIA) definition of household savings (disposable income minus consumption spending) and the economic definitions of savings as the change in wealth/net worth: savings as the change in wealth is equal to the NIA definition of savings plus capital gains/losses on the value of existing wealth (financial assets and real assets such as housing wealth). In the years when stock markets and home values were going up the apologists for the sharp rise in consumption and measured fall in savings were arguing that the measured savings were distorted downward by failing to account for the change in net worth due to the rise in home prices and the stock markets.

But now with stock prices down over 50% from peak and home prices down 25% from peak (and still to fall another 20%) the destruction of household net worth has become dramatic. Thus, correcting for the fall in net worth personal savings are not 5% - as the official NIA definition suggests – but rather sharply negative. In other terms given the massive destruction of household wealth/net worth since 2006-2007 the NIA measure of savings will have to increase much more sharply than has currently occurred to restore the severely damaged balance sheet of the households. Thus, the contraction of real consumption will have to continue for years to come before the adjustment is completed."

Nouriel Roubini, Professor of economics at the New York University Stern School of Business, "The Rising Risks of a Global L-Shaped Near Depression and Stag-Deflation", Mar 2, 2009, http://www.rgemonitor.com/roubini-monitor/255816/the_rising_...

gasull• 17 years ago

CPI-adjusted Dow Jones Industrial Average predictions:

http://itulip.com/forums/showthread.php?p=80503#post80503

iTulip has been very successful in its forecasts so far:

http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthread.php?p=39099#poststop

Economic Recovery - Slight, but significant

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