New Framework Desktop Option with AMD Ryzen AI Max+ Pro 495 and 192GB Memory

https://frame.work/desktop?tab=192gb-coming-soon

by PhilippGille • 1 hour ago

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andy992• 1 hour ago

I have a framework desktop w/ 128GB that I bought last Christmas and if I’m looking at it right it costs $2000 (CAD) more now because of the RAM shortage (and in any event is apparently out of stock). Would love to have 192 GB but I’m not sure I can justify buying another.

Does anyone have a sense of how this might progress, e.g if I can get a 256 or 512 GB in a year if I wait. In any case I’m jealous this exists and I don’t have one.

One last thing, I assume this isn’t exclusive and there will be other builds with this same config same as current Strix Halo?

cyanydeez2• 24 minutes ago

what I read in I think the direct AMD press, it's essentially like a 10% upgrade to compute but mostly ram.

I agree, this is the direction AMD was going in to larger attached memory and they got hit by the memory cartel pricing; They likely were going to hit 256GB instead of this weird glitch in the sizing.

So, yes, of course they're going to hit higher memory sizes; but since they models are meant for laptops and to get the speed you want for inference, they're soldered, you have no real options.

Framework in particular might have a high value on ebay as I assume this will be a drop in replacement for their existing motherboard.

nl• 20 minutes ago

On RAM supplies, the best estimates I've seen are https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/dram/cxmt-close-t...

They are estimating a 25% shortfall in supply remaining in 2030, even with Chinese companies ramping up DDR5 supply.

It's not looking great - the RAM producers need more of the same machines that other semi-conductor manufactures need and the suppliers of those seem unable to increase production.

myrmidon• 6 minutes ago

Are you generally happy with it? What do you mainly use it for?

I'm kinda tempted by the frameworks because they are somewhat energy efficient and compact (which I both value highly!) but my concern is that the GPU is on the low end for 1440p gaming (while being barely price-competitive with a self-built Ryzen9950 + 9070XT combination).

iugtmkbdfil834• 59 minutes ago

Mmm.. AI395 at 3.5k ( and out of stock mind ). And I still want to give it a shot when it is out. I suppose I just explained to myself the ridiculous jump in prices. The demand is crazy.

chrismorgan• 38 minutes ago

No blog post, no order, no preorder; I think the only things about it are this sentence and a half:

192GB coming soon
The most powerful Framework Desktop yet is coming soon with an AMD Ryzen™ AI Max+ PRO 495 processor and 192GB of LPDDR5X memory.

sam_lowry_• 34 minutes ago

So... Can it sleep with echo mem >/sys/power/state?

Abd wake up without crashing?

bakies• 27 minutes ago

Memory bandwidth certainly is the bottleneck on my 395+ 128GB. It's been a great server. Think I'll wait another year maybe hopefully the prices come down and there's one more gen of hardware and local llm gets even better. Excited for this!

notdefio• 26 minutes ago

Im less interested in the memory than the memory bandwidth. The current system with 128GB can load pretty big models, but its meaningless unless you want to wait 40 minutes per prompt.

I've had best results with Qwen3.6-35B-A3B, which uses 40GB of memory, but only uses 3 billion parameters per token which helps with throughput.

Until memory bandwidth significantly improves I just can't see myself wanting to use all that memory. Unless it's just to keep a wide variety of models in memory.

andy992• 22 minutes ago

Try poolside that came out yesterday https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49004937

or Qwen 3.5 122B A10B, both use more memory and still have experts sized for decent speed at the 395’s memory bandwidth at 4bit quantization

cyanydeez2• 18 minutes ago

I use exactly the setup you describe; it can handle 1-3 agents working if the agent work has IO delays. with MTP models, prefill is quite fast.

Not sure what damage you have, but no one waits 40 minutes per prompt or even a minute; The A3B model loads within 10 seconds and a simple response in opencode is maybe at most a minute, then catches up in 3-5second bursts depending on IO.

I put dynamic context pruning into opencode and tweaked it for 45k-85k context before it shrinks; this lets me get into 500k token sizes and fixed on medium sized github repos.

There's a chance this comment is a skill error:

1. USe llamacpp with a MTP model

2. Use reasoning-budget and reasoning-message

3. Tailor your agent to use the reasoning-message to use subagents and dyanmic compaction.

---

Now you have a reasonable coding agent for cloning, building and extending any github project I've seen so far.

paxys3• 16 minutes ago

If you are waiting 40 minutes for a prompt on a Ryzen max+ you have no idea what you are doing.

cmrdporcupine2• 5 minutes ago

I have an NVIDIA Spark thingy (the ASUS one) and it's the same problem there, though the prefill side is superior to the Ryzen ones.

But I actually think 128GB is too little. There are some compelling models that are above what can fit in that at reasonable quants (e.g. DeepSeek V4 Flash) but could if the system was 256GB.

If RAM prices weren't so f*cked I think we'd be seeing 256GB and even 512GB unified memory systems becoming quite common. As it is I think it will be 10 years before >128GB becomes feasible on a regular consumer machine for normal people again.

Hackbraten• 25 minutes ago

Seize the means of computation

Feels like they blatantly ripped that off the title of a Cory Doctorow book [0].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Internet_Con

swiftcoder• 24 minutes ago

Woof. What's that going to cost? And will we actually be able to buy one, because the 128GB model has been sold out pretty much since the LLM craze started...

paxys3• 14 minutes ago

If you have to ask you don’t want to know

artisinal• 18 minutes ago

I understand their reasoning but it’s still a shame Framework opted for a proprietary motherboard instead of mini-ITX with a socket CPU and GPU. I value repairability over a little bit of extra performance.

culopatin• 16 minutes ago

What’s stopping you from building that yourself instead of having to go through Framework?

delfinom• 11 minutes ago

Framework is going for a computer OEM market where they need to make margin, hence the soldered-on components and relatively limited options. People in the pre-built computer market overwhelmingly don't care about replaceable components, because anyone else will just buy components and build a PC, for both the greater market of options AND overall lower price than buying pre-built (if they don't overspec).

paxys3• 15 minutes ago

Ryzen AI Max Plus Pro 495

How does a CEO read this and not immediately fire their entire marketing team?

cmrdporcupine2• 10 minutes ago

More numbers and letters and phrases = more excite! much customer!

kryptiskt• 2 minutes ago

Because it was the CEOs idea?

egeozcan• 6 minutes ago

I typed my (masked) email into the input, pressed tab and enter, it redirected me to some cloudflare captcha marketing site. I thought at first it didn't want the masked email, but then it worked when I clicked with my mouse. Apparently there are 3 invisible focus targets in between!

Dear people who create websites, these things are important, they should work!

snvzz• 3 minutes ago

Non-ECC memory.

And into the trash it goes.

New Framework Desktop Option with AMD Ryzen AI Max+ Pro 495 and 192GB Memory

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