Byrne's Euclid

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gnabgib• 2 months ago

(2018) At the time (79 points, 12 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18697567

Earlier this year (97 points, 3 months ago, 23 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46867018

Refreeze5224• 2 months ago

I took Euclidean geometry in high school, and having a book with colors like this would have made things so much easier to grasp. The color scheme is lovely too, and really makes me consider buying the poster. If you'd have told 15 year old me that I would one day really want a Euclid poster, I'd have called you insane!

aag• 2 months ago

I have the poster on my wall. It's beautiful. I highly recommend it.

WillAdams3• 2 months ago

A higher tech version is:

https://mathcs.clarku.edu/~djoyce/java/elements/elements.htm...

conorbergin2• 2 months ago

While less typographically interesting, this is a much clearer treatment of Elements.

WillAdams3• 2 months ago

Surprisingly, it hasn't seem much discussion here AFAICT.

Topology1• 2 months ago

Perhaps I'm alone on this, but I find all the different colors and diagrams distracting rather than helpful. It feels cluttered to me.

rembicilious• 2 months ago

For me it iſ the old timey eſſ that iſ moſt diſracting.

dhosek• 2 months ago

Yeah, why bother updating the diagrams but then do long s throughout?

conorbergin2• 2 months ago

I'm slightly baffled it existed in the first place, considering they also used the small s, and it looks almost exactly like the f. To be fair, I am equally confused that so many modern typefaces don't distinguish I and l.

emmelaich• 2 months ago

I'd rather see a normal s than the long s in the text. Seems unnecessary.

jonlong• 2 months ago

Fwiw, you can use the "Modern English" language setting to banish the long s. Reproducing Byrne's original typography is a stated goal of the author. (You can certainly debate the value of that goal.)

PowerElectronix• 2 months ago

If you like this, they completed the rest of the books in the style and published it in hardcover here https://www.kroneckerwallis.com/product/euclids-elements-com...

adrian_b• 2 months ago

I believe that the only useful form of the antique books, such as those originally written in Latin or Ancient Greek, is a bilingual edition, like those provided by the Loeb Library collection.

For Euclid's Elements, there is this excellent and free bilingual edition due to Richard Fitzpatrick:

https://farside.ph.utexas.edu/Books/Euclid/Euclid.html

The bilingual editions are useful even for people who do not know and do not intend to learn the original language, because they still allow them to discover which were the original meanings of many old words that are still in use today and to investigate the real meaning of certain paragraphs of interest, where an English translation may be unable to provide the correct meaning, without a very long commentary about the context. Moreover, in the case of books like those of Euclid, an non-specialist translator, i.e. a non-mathematician, will frequently make mistakes that can be discovered by a specialist, i.e. mathematician, who can compare the original and the translated text, even when the specialist has only little knowledge about the ancient language.

From Euclid's Elements, I consider that there are 2 sections that have retained most of their importance until today, and which are the most instructive: the 2 sections with definitions, the first with the definitions used in plane geometry (in Book 1) and the second with the definitions used in solid geometry (a.k.a. stereometry) (in Book 11). An important part of the mathematical language still used today has its origin in these 2 sections of definitions. There are also other 2 sections with definitions, about numbers (i.e. natural numbers) and about magnitudes (i.e. non-negative real numbers), which however have been less preserved in the modern terminology.

WillAdams3• 2 months ago

One amazing implementation of that sort of thing was the "Leonardo" CD-ROM presentation of the Codex Leceister:

https://mostre.museogalileo.it/codiceleicester/en/introducti...

https://en.softonic.com/articles/bill-gates-bought-a-da-vinc...

I really wish that there were more examples of that sort of thing. Other books which push the boundaries on technological presentation:

- https://www.motionmountain.net/

- _The Elements by Theodore Gray_ https://apps.apple.com/us/app/the-elements-by-theodore-gray/...

One might argue that _Myst_, or at least its predecessor _The Manhole_ (billed as "Where Alice would have gone if Alice had had HyperCard") also merits mention.

Byrne's Euclid

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