Systemd BirthDate Merge: Conflicts of Interest

https://tboteproject.com/systemdfindings/

by npongratz • 4 months ago

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righthand7• 4 months ago

Why doesn’t someone fork systemd and start reworking/taking out all the icky parts as well as destroying Poettering’s control over it?

Debian’s forced accepting of Systemd is finally rearing it’s ugly head.

I am glad I switched to Devuan earlier this year.

iugtmkbdfil8344• 4 months ago

I think.. because good inits already exist and systemD is an abomination unto god. Heavens know I was fully expecting agent integration soon...

righthand7• 4 months ago

I agree but all the proponents of it have said “it’s so convenient who cares”. That obviously states there are some features that bring value. I’m hard pressed to believe you need ALL of systemd architected how it is for those claims to hold.

variaga• 4 months ago

Why doesn’t someone fork systemd

Why don't you? It's open source. No one is stopping you. Your ideas on how init systems should work are obviously superior, so you'll easily win over a majority of developers, right?

righthand7• 4 months ago

I don’t care about majority developers. Just that Poettering’s will not be forced upon me. I just may fork or look at helping establish a better suite of tools in the future.

Also I never said my ideas were superior. Maybe go for a walk instead of getting upset someone thinks Systemd needs to die.

keysersoze33• 4 months ago

I think most distros are waiting to see if upstream can rethink this first and evaluate what makes sense. Forking something like systemd is no easy task. Perhaps this just starts out as a patch removing the DOB changes. But in reality, distros don't want to face possible legal ramifications either. It's all a bit messy, and time will tell (I suspect for the better, but who knows).

withinboredom3• 4 months ago

The mailing list doesn't seem to make it out into such a controversial issue. It's an optional field that doesn't require a real birthday.

righthand7• 4 months ago

The issue isn’t the field but how the governance system for critical software is non-existant.

uecker• 4 months ago

It also has to be considered in light of the fact that Lennart builds a company for "cryptographically verifiable integrity on Linux".

withinboredom3• 4 months ago

Because someone added a new user field? Does that need governance?

iugtmkbdfil8344• 4 months ago

It was a long time coming, but it now happened. SystemD managed to do something that might give people pause over convenience factor. I am saying might, because while I am now actively planning ( until now I treated it as ideologically impure aspect of linux, but sufficiently useful to offset that discomfort ). DOB merge ( and how it was done ) changes that calculus by a wide margin. It is not even about DOB now. It is the full blown slippery slope with MS doing round 2 of EEE.

Foxboron• 4 months ago

This just reads like a LLM trying to come up with a conspiracy theory around systemd.

It somehow got hyper-fixated on "three" for no particular reason and seems like it decided to harpen down that fact without explaining anything around it?

jmclnx• 4 months ago

From the wayback machine, I could not get into the link:

https://web.archive.org/web/20260403141132/https://tboteproj...

npongratz• 4 months ago

Mirror here: https://isoc-sig.freifunk.net/systemd/systemd%20birthDate%20...

(confirmed still up at the time of writing this post.)

sqidyyy• 4 months ago

The "DiRUG reform" link leads nowhere and I can't find that particular site neither on bmj.de nor the Wayback Machine. Is that an hallucinated artifact?

VladStanimir• 4 months ago

I don't see the problem with the systemd DOB merger, the DOB will have to be stored somewhere and systemd already has a place where user information is securely stored so they added a new field to the user database.

The alternative is not that no DOB will be stored is that it will end up stored in 20 different locations on the filesystem.

tzs• 4 months ago

The site this is on seems to be a bit questionable [1].

[1] https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/1064706/ba8e449d224f5067/

Systemd BirthDate Merge: Conflicts of Interest

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