Ask HN: Does alchohol make you a better programmer (more inside)

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by gobanana • 14 years ago

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Here's a bit of my background:

  - 9-5 developer at well known IT company
  - Work on big projects with success
  - High quality along with high productivity

And yet, when I get home and start working on my side project my productivity drops. I get distracted and always feel the need (even to the point of anxiety) to check HN/Reddit/email/Twitter/Facebook etc constantly (at least once every 2-5 minutes).

But I've found a solution to all this. When I have around 3-4 standard drinks, my productivity sky rockets. I feel like I'm in the zone from when I get home to past 2am. I sometimes even forget to eat diner.

Even though I may be way drunk in this coding state, when I look at it the next day or even the next few weeks, it's about the same as how I would have written it sober. It's like alchohol focuses my mind and gets me in the zone.

So I'm just wondering HN - is this just me, do I have a problem, or have I found my anti-kryptonite? Any advice?

daurnimator• 14 years ago

You found your ballmer peak: http://xkcd.com/323/

gobanana6• 14 years ago

lol.

I've experimented with this. 1 shot of gin is nothing. 2 shots and I'm still normal. 5 and I feel like sleeping. Yet 3 seems to increase performance?

barking3• 14 years ago

I think that you may be jittery/distracted because you NEED a drink, the way smokers need a cigarette and once you've had your hit you feel more relaxed. My 2c

gobanana6• 14 years ago

Not at all. During work hours I'm pretty focused and don't do any talking or surfing. Plus I've never even drank coffee so I don't think it can be the jitters.

barking3• 14 years ago

Might that not be because your body views 6pm as drinky-time?

nuera• 14 years ago

I have a feeling it will be to do with you needing a drink - that's what makes you distracted - I have dealt with something similar and all I can say is, don't fall into the trap.

gobanana6• 14 years ago

Like I said to @barking I don't think I'm an alchoholic. But I will keep this in check. Thanks.

barking3• 14 years ago

I prefer the term heavy drinker to alcoholic. Alcoholic is just the rest of society trying to put some distance between themselves and other bad drinkers. Everyone who smokes is a smoker. Some smoke more than others. We don't call 60/day people smoke addicts, we call them heavy smokers.

bocanaut• 14 years ago

you could A|B Test with non-alcoholic drinks. maybe you just like a fancy beverage

gobanana6• 14 years ago

I am a big chocolate milk fan. But I don't get the same feeling. In fact I usually feel the need to get up and eat after drinking water/juice/milk though.

djokkataja• 14 years ago

Might be attention deficit disorder - self-medication with alcohol is pretty common for people with undiagnosed ADD. Since you have no trouble at work, it sounds like you work better in a structured environment. If you try specifically blocking out a period of time (say 7-9 pm) to work only on your project and not do anything else at all (turn off cellphone, close email/facebook/so on), you may be able to get yourself to work in the same way that you do at your job.

Just make sure that you end EXACTLY when you planned to end, as though you were at a job. Don't be a victim of Parkinson's Law.

gobanana6• 14 years ago

Didn't think of that. When I was a kid people did think I have some form of behavioral problems, but when I got into programming from an early age then it all disappeared so I don't think it's ADD.

But thanks for the timing advice. I'll have to try that.

wyan• 14 years ago

When I try to work on my side projects in the evening, I often feel the same distraction / anxiety effect. The way I handle it is to tell myself it's ok to get some rest and do things that are not productive, and try to keep away from the computer for one or two evenings. Often after that I find I can concentrate better again. We need idle time to structure our thinking process, after all!

shanelja• 14 years ago

My boss just took me out for a couple of pints and I'm sat in the office as we speak, so at this moment in time I am probably the most qualified person to speak on this.

Alcohol does not make you a better programmer, it dulls your mind and makes it easy to get distracted and it slows how quickly you can think.

Perhaps this increase in productivity is merely you feeling happier because you are indulging yourself, if you no longer find your programming fun you are probably more laid back about it when you are a little drunk.

eduardordm• 14 years ago

Sometimes I drink one or two small cans of beer (269ml) after dinner while playing diablo. Usually this is what happens next day:

- I wake up feeling like crap;

- Can't work until around 9:30am;

I also run 5k at least 4 times a week, this is my next day:

- Wake up 40 minutes before alarm rings;

- Longer stretches of concentration all day;

I quit smoking 1.2 years ago. At that time I thought that cigarettes made me more productive, specially when I had to work longer. This is how addictive drugs work. They will make your brain tricky you into thinking you will be better when consuming them.

Be careful. Drink sometimes and for pleasure only.

powatom• 14 years ago

I fear it's far more likely that you have other issues and the alcohol simply helps you focus. Lots of people are able to 'forget about themselves' during work and simply focus on the job. This becomes a lot more difficult when you don't actually need to be doing anything, and your mind is freed up to do what it does best: wander.

Alcohol may simply be allowing you to forget about some other distraction in your mind. Don't fall into the trap of thinking that it's the alcohol making you a better programmer: if you can't get through the night without a drink - then you could have a problem. Next time you reach for a drink, stop yourself - and ask yourself what your motivation is. 'Focus' implies that you are currently unable to focus, which implies distraction. Find the distraction.

dholowiski2• 14 years ago

This amount of alcohol on a regular basis (several times a week) can and will cause all kinds of brain damage, not so good for someone who makes a living using their brain.

biscarch2• 14 years ago

link? I'd be interested if there was an "Effects of Regular Alcohol Consumption on Programming Ability" type study.

dholowiski2• 14 years ago

http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/aa63/aa63.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-term_effects_of_alcohol#Br...

http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/aa53.htm

http://medicalxpress.com/news/2012-10-recovery-brain-volumes...

http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh22-1/25-34.pdf

That's all I have right now from reputable sources (that I have handy). I'm sure a simple google search will turn up a lot more (although there is a ton of pseudo science as well).

gadders• 14 years ago

3-4 drinks several times a week is a pretty low alcohol consumption.

mathewsimonton• 14 years ago

Everyone responds to substances differently. People in the thread have indicated that they would code poorly tipsy/drunk, but you claim otherwise and I believe ya.

Sometimes I like to have a couple drinks while working on a side project and I understand where you're coming from. I do a lot of writing and, like many people who enjoy writing, I understand that having a few drinks and getting "in the zone" can be great for the creative juices and process every once and a while.

Many people are "functioning alcoholics." I'm not saying you're an alcoholic but that concept is something to be aware of. The regular use of that much alcohol is a certainly problem for your physical health. I think you should look into other modes of altering your physical/mental state after you come home from work. Do you exercise regularly? How's your mental health? You say that you have the need, "even to the point of anxiety," to do other things than work on code at home. To me that sounds like a problem that could be solved in some other ways not involving alcohol. Have you thought about therapy/medication, or maybe something else?

Food for thought. :) Good luck to you!

nesu• 14 years ago

I often drink one or two cans (or bottles) when I experience a mental block. It doesn't work for everyone, but for me it works well in boosting my productivity. It can be relaxing especially during a tense day. Just don't overdo it or you'll most likely end up being a better drinker than a better programmer.

dnhn• 14 years ago

I noticed the same thing in college. For me the issue is getting started. Sometimes, I have a mentality of "I don't have time to do this justice so I'll put it off," not wanting to start working imperfectly. A couple of drinks and getting started is a breeze. Then, inertia can carry me from there.

It makes me less worried about what my initial quality/starting point and less overwhelmed about the scope or how much is left to do. Also, I get less distracted by external going on's in my life. I remember reading something about it slowing down your multitasking (background processes thinking about other things) so you focus at the task at hand. Wonder if I can find that article again.

fluxon• 14 years ago

"Ask HN: Does alchohol make you a better programmer (more inside)"

Maybe, maybe not, but it impairs spelling "alcohol."

Ask HN: Does alchohol make you a better programmer (more inside)

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