A Tale of Two AI Failures: Debugging a Simple Bug with LLMs

https://bitmovin.com/blog/hackathon-debugging-ai-tools-llms/

by slederer • 8 months ago

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kichik4• 8 months ago

Not exactly the point of this article, but it would be cool if APIs like this can return the expected signed string for debugging. It would have to be properly limited for security. But if the API is expecting non-standard signatures, it could help developers with better debugging tools.

lillesvin5• 8 months ago

Given that you can't infer the error from simply looking at the signature string, I don't see how having the expected string rather than a simple "OK" or "mismatched signature" (as you get now) would make a difference?

kichik4• 8 months ago

You can save the expected string to a file, save your string to a file, and run diff on a hexdump of both. Even without hexdump, you should see the difference between "\n" and "\\n" in properly escaped output.

lillesvin5• 8 months ago

I know it's kinda besides the point and I don't know what language this was being done in, but I don't personally know any language where

    String signature = "POST" + "\n" + "/api/v1/..."

and

    String signature = "POST\n/api/v1/..."

don't result in identical variables, so I'm a bit puzzled why that would result in an error.

However, there's a quoting error in the failing example where the double quotes in the JSON body aren't properly escaped:

    String signature = "POST" + "\n" + "/api/v1/query" + "\n" + token + "\n" + timestamp + "\n" + "{"body":"content"}"

It may just be the example that's not correctly formatted, but the other (working) example does in fact escape the double quotes in the JSON. I guess, depending on how forgiving the used language is with quoting, that could also be the source of the error?

juancn• 8 months ago

Yeah, I'm stuck here.

Another thing that's really broken is the last string with unescaped quotes.

Not sure how to interpret that unless theres a `:` (colon) operator.

saint_yossarian• 8 months ago

The author mentions FoxESSCloud, which led me to https://www.foxesscloud.com/public/i18n/en/OpenApiDocument.h... with this Python example:

    signature = fr'{path}\r\n{token}\r\n{timestamp}'

So if this is indeed the API they're using it's not only literal "\\n" but also "\\r\\n", no "POST", and no body at the end.

nebster• 8 months ago

I... still don't understand the issue. It looks like both examples in the table would evaluate to the same thing. Am I missing a stray "\n"?

fernly• 8 months ago

agree, I feel dumb but don't see subtle issue.

Also when copy/pasting into Python to try it, I got an error because \“ is in fact U+201C not an ASCII quote. (Surely that's not the subtle issue?)

DylanSp• 8 months ago

Echoing the others who say they can't understand the bug/difference; only thing I can think of is that the input string needed the escape sequence for a newline in it? So the correct code would be written as

    "POST" + "\\n" + ...

thehappypm• 8 months ago

tl;dr: custom, naïve Concatenation formatting implementation can cause bugs

jojomodding• 8 months ago

Perhaps this article was written by the same AI that failed to understand what it was supposed to do in the first place? The post doesn't make a lot of sense and the writing seems fishy. I still don't understand what was wrong with he first code.

snowfield• 8 months ago

I often find myself clearing the context when dealing with llms to get a fresh take. Often it just has so much context reinforcing its previous decisions.

Not sure if the author tried to just start a new thread. But anyway, for now you always need to keep an eye on these things and manage it if it follows red herrings or ends up in some logical loop

Sidenote : newlines is one thing tat can be quite tricky for llms in general.

A Tale of Two AI Failures: Debugging a Simple Bug with LLMs

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