The HTML template is the core of all front end vs. back end problems

https://elixirforum.com/t/the-html-template-is-the-core-of-all-frontend-vs-backend-problems-i-want-to-try-and-solve-this/73201

by fullstacking • 9 months ago

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mikece• 9 months ago

"At compile I produce a “contract” that informs the back end what I “the front end” wants for the initial HTML response."

Wouldn't that be like a ViewModel in MVVM?

fullstacking7• 9 months ago

I dont know, maybe it instead is seen as a map of the model to native resources in that system and a language agnostic template with tokens that can be hydrated given they map to the model.

fullstacking7• 9 months ago

I almost look at this like its a model / template but the model is a map and the template is universal

fullstacking7• 9 months ago

maybe its more of a "how do we create a standard template" vs this is how I do this in x, y or z.

pestatije3• 9 months ago

decades have been spent trying to couple front and back ends when in reality they should be as decoupled as possible

fullstacking7• 9 months ago

This frame of mind is what lead to this issue. How do you do that when they both have a concern for producing html. SSR is not fad, its a real issue. If SSR is a real issue than that means the server must produce the initial hydrated html. How do you do that if not with a shared template or duplicated template? Even JS front end still does not deal with this any different. You still have node compiling the front end code server side to address that very issue.

Maybe we need to acknowledge that you can't seperate them as they both exist with a need to produce HTML. But instead position the html closest to who it best serves and let them inform the other side. IE JS is most concerned with html as it interacts with it more where as the server only needs to really produce it once.

IMO your take is the worst take on this issue.

pestatije3• 9 months ago

take desktop apps...do you see any effort in the tooling world to generate UI from the back end? not in a hundred years...we got the SSR idea to solve the real issue of distribution, but all went south from there

fullstacking7• 9 months ago

Ignore this post, I delete my message in the elixir forum. That community has too many trolls and I'm done with them.

The HTML template is the core of all front end vs. back end problems

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