O'Reilly books launched on Inkling (iPad, iPhone & Web)

https://www.inkling.com/store/brand/oreilly/

by stevehollaar • 14 years ago

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snowmaker• 14 years ago

Very cool. Does anyone know if humans manually reformatted all of these to include special Inkling features, or whether they automatically generated them from ePUB files?

Me10002• 14 years ago

Inkling has a team of people that work on content creation, custom tailoring each book for Inkling. Much of the original source material is reused, but much of the content is created from scratch… In fact, many times the content team discovers problems with the original content that they go in and fix.

I can't say for sure how the new programming books are created in their entirety, but I think it's safe to assume a similar process is used.

Source: I was an intern at Inkling about a year ago.

mattmacinnis5• 14 years ago

(Matt, CEO of Inkling here.)

Humans did not manually reformat these titles. The source was EPUB, and there was some clever automation to start. The semantic structure, internal content links, remarks and glossary entries were done essentially algorithmically. Enhancements and the ability to see code in the book were done systematically, and sometimes manually.

All of this was done using Inkling Habitat, our (as-yet unreleased) integrated content development environment. It makes this stuff much more scalable, and as we continue to roll out cool brands like O'Reilly, you'll see increasing amounts of media and interactivity where stuff like that makes sense.

joshschreuder3• 14 years ago

Looks like an interesting idea. I particularly like the in-line discussions.

Is there a list of books which feature the coding widget? I imagine this only applies to the interpreted languages like Python and Ruby?

mattmacinnis5• 14 years ago

Coding widgets are in the JavaScript titles to start. More to come.

joshschreuder3• 14 years ago

No worries, thanks for that.

I have bought a book or two, and noticed that the site remembers both my CC details (this is alright) and also my 3 digit CVV. Isn't there a law against storing both for the purpose of future purchases?

I'd feel a little more comfortable if I was asked to enter the CVV every time. This is not inconvenient for the user as far as I can see.

tylerritchie2• 14 years ago

This seems like an interesting attempt on O'Reilly's part to justify an electronic price greater than the print price (as of today at Amazon). I will fully acknowledge that the potential utility of an electronic edition of this style of book is superior to that of the dead-tree version. But I can't really accept the price.

I see that Campbell's Biology is still outrageously expensive as well. Can I even resell my Inkling books? If the answer is "no" then students should just buy the used dead-tree version of texts on amazon and resell them. Especially Campbell.

Also, I want to middle-click the tiles to open the book in a new page. Shame on you Inkling for breaking that.

Me10002• 14 years ago

I agree with you, higher prices are disappointing. However, given the example you used of Campbell's Biology, most of the time students never read a textbook in its entirety. In that case, Inkling actually lets you buy the specific chapters you need. I'd bet for most students, that model will be cheaper than buying used textbooks (of course, I don't have any hard numbers)… Plus you get all the 'bonus features' of an Inkling book.

mattmacinnis5• 14 years ago

Tyler,

I wouldn't read into the O'Reilly prices too much. They must balance a lot of pre-existing agreements with other distribution channels, and as you probably know, Amazon often sells print titles at a loss.

Campbell is a similar situation, but it's available by the chapter for $4, and that's how most students are buying it -- getting just the pieces their profs assign.

As to the middle-click / option-click problem, we're aware, and we consider it a bug. We'll fix it. We are ashamed!

tylerritchie2• 14 years ago

I probably came across a little too harsh. I think Inkling is awesome, I'm just still grumpy at publishers.

In the case of Campbell the a la carte Inkling prices are such that a student can get 60% of the book at the point they reach the full price of the book. I know at many universities Campbell is the primary text used for first year biology students so going through 60-80% is not unheard of. At that consumption rate I would be better off buying the book used from Amazon, using it, and then reselling it at a loss of $20-$30. If a student doesn't want to deal with reselling his or her book they can even rent Campbell for ~$70. As it's a, first year, general biology book keeping it for reference doesn't make a huge amount of sense for non-pre-med biology students.

I really don't blame Inkling for this, I just think that Campbell would be a reasonable text at a quarter to half the current price (with individual chapters similarly reduced) which would compete nicely and directly with the rental text market.

All that said, per-chapter certainly benefits students who tend to not buy the texts, but would like access to particular chapters.

Additionally, buying an Inkling text with half a dozen other students and sharing becomes an enticing proposition (that probably terrifies publishers and probably violates the EULA and TOS).

Anyway, I'm excited about Inkling, and hope that authors and publishers fully embrace it and similar platforms. I'm not excited about future students still being gouged for a medium that is dirt cheap to reproduce.

incision2• 14 years ago

Dunno.

O'Reilly seems pretty open to delivering their books in a number of ways at a number of price points. For example, several of the books on that page can be had as ePub based Android apps for $4.99 each [1]. Also, they're all almost certainly available via Safari subscription.

1: http://goo.gl/AF81F

bdcravens• 14 years ago

Surely a coincidence, but with a variety of titles shown, not a single Ruby or Rails title.

mattmacinnis5• 14 years ago

Indeed, nothing against Ruby or Rails. Actually, I think we used Ruby in the process of building these titles with the following library: http://nokogiri.org

Sometimes editioning and other considerations prevent us from doing a certain title immediately, but we do plan to bring the whole O'Reilly library to the platform over the next few months, including Ruby and Rails content.

(In the meantime, maybe you can learn a real language? Tee hee. Kidding. omg.)

(p.s., we're hiring. Just not Ruby engineers.) http://www.inkling.com/careers

ivanzhao• 14 years ago

This is amazing! How can I create a book like this myself?

bradneuberg• 14 years ago

By using Inkling Habitat!

noirman• 14 years ago

Awesome job, Inkling (& O'Reilly). Wish all programming books are like that.

incision2• 14 years ago

This looks lovely.

I'm a fan of Inkling, disappointed at its absence from Android and hopeful for the day that textbooks - printed, interactive or otherwise don't cost $160+.

mbtimney• 14 years ago

I've been following Inkling pretty closely for the last year or so, and have been incredibly impressed with the work they are doing. I'm excited to see O'Reilly on the Inkling platform, and can't wait to see what they do next!

O'Reilly books launched on Inkling (iPad, iPhone & Web)

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