Weather satellites detect 515-mile-long lightning flash

https://www.space.com/astronomy/earth/new-world-record-weather-satellites-detect-515-mile-long-lightning-flash

by Brajeshwar • 12 months ago

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ourmandave• 12 months ago

"Aw, that's adorable." ~ Jupiter

New thunderstorms wider than Earth are spewing out green lightning on Jupiter.

https://www.livescience.com/space/planets/new-thunderstorms-...

mock-possum• 12 months ago

Wow there is an absolutely batshit concentration of ads on that page

theandrewbailey• 12 months ago

It's 2017, and a thunderstorm shoots off a lightning bolt. ... . It sets a new world record, besting the previous title holder — a 477-mile (768-km) bolt from 2020

So the previous record holder never should have held it at all (an earlier one beats a later one)? How was that missed? Is there that much data to sift through? Why is that not addressed in the article?

zimpenfish2• 12 months ago

From the linked paper[0], "In 2024, the entire GLM data record was reprocessed with new computational methods whose improved efficiency allowed difficult portions of the data record to be examined. This reprocessing inspired a reevaluation of the 2017 megaflash[...] after it identified a hitherto-overlooked discharge"

[0] https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/bams/aop/BAMS-D-2...

morjom• 12 months ago

I couldn't find if this was an intra-cloud flash or if it was a sky-to-ground strike. Anybody know?

sanex• 12 months ago

By the animation it appears to be cloud to cloud.

Edit: I saw the animation in a different article. I'll come back if I can find it.

hansvm2• 12 months ago

Space is 60 miles away, and this was over 500 miles. Maybe it hit the ground eventually, but the vast majority of the strike was definitely intra-cloud.

kitd• 12 months ago

Interesting (to me) that the flash shown on the included diagram has positive and negative branches. That suggests to me that while it is one "flash", it is actually multiple discharges, one triggering others in a chain-reaction-like process. Anyone know how these things work?

__MatrixMan__• 12 months ago

The simplest possible lightning bolt would be a straight line with a positive side and a negative side, no? If so, isn't that a single discharge?

Certainly what you're describing happens. You see the effect in the spark gaps of a Marx generator: one discharge triggers the next. I'm just saying that it's not necessarily the case that multiple differently charged branches mean spatially disconnected bolts. The path of least resistance is going to be through a nearby bolt of lightning, supposing one exists (plasma being a good conductor) so I'd expect they have a tendency to merge, so you get a network of sources and sinks. Probably as new nodes join the network what was once a source could become a sink--the channel being open for further equalization with new distant point.

Whether to count that as one thing or many, idk.

zimpenfish2• 12 months ago

it is actually multiple discharges

This might be the relevant sentence from the paper (but I'm not a weather scientist)

"Events were only used in the standard GLM clustering model to delineate flashes according to spatiotemporal proximity (events within 330 ms and 16.5 km of each other form the same flash)."

hansvm2• 12 months ago

First it's emails [0], and now it's lightning. What else is going to be stuck at just over a 500 mile range?

[0] https://www.ibiblio.org/harris/500milemail.html

Weather satellites detect 515-mile-long lightning flash

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