The Rise of Vibeinsecurity

by matosdfm • 12 months ago

28 15 12 months ago

blamestross• 12 months ago

Once more scifi becomes reality. "Hacking" in scifi was a joke until LLMs came along and made it an option after all!

righthand• 12 months ago

The way we’re already hacked by giving megacorps our data and have PII data leaks, we don’t need to wait until 2035 for vibe based security. I’m guessing 90% of security/IT orgs don’t really know anything about security but could evangelize/upsell a security company’s software for you.

I had to take 5 anti-phishing training videos in the last year because my IT org kept improving “security”. This was before LLMs gained popularity.

Aurornis• 12 months ago

FYI this is an ad for a conference called HackAIcon. If you click through you end up here: https://hackaicon.ethiack.com/

ducktective• 12 months ago

The year is 2035
Still talking about writing slack bots and APIs

Brother, in 2025, we are faced with two models achieving gold medal in IMO. I don't know why more people aren't talking about this. It's way waaay more serious than vibing up a React form.

At this point, I'm not even sure whether these models are simply "statistical parrots" or not. But the output of these systems or the supposed systems in 2035 having vulnerabilities that run-of-the-mill LLMs could exploit is a farfetched idea, that much I know.

itqwertz• 12 months ago

I can only imagine what a vibe coded AWS-backed infrastructure would look like and cost if a developer just trusted it to make good decisions.

pavel_lishin• 12 months ago

This is a neat short story, but it falls short of being good science fiction by assuming that the only change is the rise of vibe coding.

If apps started getting hacked instantly, why would people continue using them, short of ones they're required to use by the government, their jobs, or maybe their banks?

mikewarot• 12 months ago

The question more than 100 years ago was "If anyone can put together a lamp and plug it in, how will we keep our houses from getting burned down by the wires in the wall?"

The solution then, and the solution now, is to limit what can be delivered to a load, electrical, or computational, before plugging things in.

In our homes, we have circuit breakers, or fuses, electrical codes and their enforcement.

In our computers, we could have the PowerBox[1], which, much like the breakers in a house, serves to limit what resources are given to a program. Unlike AppArmor, etc., this is done at run-time, and takes the place (often seemlessly to the user) of the file handling dialog boxes the user would encounter anyway. The actual application code changes required would be minimal.

PS: Yes, this has been brought up before[2]

[1] https://wiki.c2.com/?PowerBox

[2] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

[1] https://wiki.c2.com/?PowerBox

DonHopkins• 12 months ago

That one dude's a dead ringer for Nelson "Big Head" Bighetti Jr. from HBO's Silicon Valley!

https://silicon-valley.fandom.com/wiki/Big_Head

https://youtu.be/Q1QPXyebhiY?t=989

MattPalmer10863• 12 months ago

Funny. Although there's no way we would accept this world. If it's just some trivial vibe coded app with 10 users noone will care.

Once it's big and has a significant user base processing personal or sensitive data, watch out for the lawsuits and increased regulation.

MattPalmer10863• 12 months ago

I will add this though. I once worked on the UK government Trusted Software Initiative.

We concluded that small companies just don't have the resource to secure things well. The only way we could move the needle at all was by better security training and awareness in the short term. But the fundamental economic point remains the same, and certainly magnified by vibe coding.

On the flip side, we can start using AI to find security problems too.

jrm43• 12 months ago

I'm sorry, given that nothing reasonably close to this has happened already even though it should have, what makes you think it will now?

MattPalmer10863• 12 months ago

Not sure what you're getting at. We already have a bunch of laws and regulations. And misreporting your cybersecurity is already securities fraud! https://www.sec.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2023-227

jrm43• 12 months ago

I honestly don't think that "vibecoding/AI" are likely to make cybersecurity all that much worse, for the obvious reason of how trash it is already.

If anything, perhaps you'll get an antifragility effect; e.g. you get a ton of multiplied low skill hacks that ACTUALLY forces this industry to get it's collective s** together in a meaningful way.

jonaustin• 12 months ago

We're already there given the recent Tea app "hack".

The Rise of Vibeinsecurity

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