Ukraine agrees to accept immediate, 30-day ceasefire -US-Ukraine statement

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-agrees-accept-immediate-30-day-ceasefire-us-ukraine-statement-2025-03-11/

27 49 1 year ago

Looks like we're waiting on Russia. Young people dying to drones needs to be addressed in the Geneva convention. Each of those deaths looked particularly cruel and unusual, they were all begging for mercy (I only saw a little bit of one). It was like an actual Valkyrie over them.

ceejayoz7• 1 year ago

War had always been horrible. Drone attacks are no exception.

No one is gonna give up the option, given their effectiveness.

bloomingkales3• 1 year ago

https://youtube.com/shorts/izildGlrEVg

I believe most of these people are not being killed when they beg like this. Nonetheless, the rules of war should try to preserve dignity in death. It needs to be codified at least, even if it’s violated, and perhaps some future generation will litigate the sin.

The brutality of this war probably hasn’t all gotten out.

daemoens2• 1 year ago

I don't see that happening. They're too simple and too effective for any military to ignore. The bomber drones cause more casualities than any other type of drone and most of them are just commericial off-the-shelf drones with very simple modifications.

archagon2• 1 year ago

You could say the same about chemical warfare.

Arnt• 1 year ago

War of full of cruelties.

You've read about "foraging" to supply an army with food, which was done for millennia. Nice polite word. Do you know what it meant? It meant sending out soldiers to find farmers and force them to hand over their food, and next year's seed counts as food in this context. Pity the farmer's wife or daughter who hadn't hid well enough. Pity the farmer too.

War really is despicable.

lawn2• 1 year ago

I'm more worried about the missiles and bombs that Russia has been launching against civilians since the war started, including schools, emergency respondents, and hospitals than drones killing active war participants.

crazygringo7• 1 year ago

You think death by drone is somehow more cruel or unusual than death by artillery shell, or machine gun, or landmine, or bomb, or missile?

War is cruel and unusual.

Geneva convention-type rules, like bans against cluster munitions, are usually less about what soliders do to each other, but more about protecting civilians. But targeted drones on the front lines pose virtually no danger to civilians at all.

mongol2• 1 year ago

I don't think it is more cruel for the victim. But I think it is more cruel for humanity, in lack of better word. I think the effect on the soldier that controls the weapon is different.

bloomingkales3• 1 year ago

There’s a sadistic element here with the footage. It’s torturing an animal at the very end. There should be a clear rules of surrender here.

Indiscriminate bombing is a major sin. We have no way of litigating the current war criminals, but ICC has warrants out on some. There’s a sadistic element to cutting off food and water.

mrguyorama• 1 year ago

Do you believe nobody ever begged for their life during WW2? If this is your first time being able to understand the horror of war, you simply lacked imagination, or worse, chose to remain ignorant and not notice the horrors wrought in past wars.

Or do you somehow believe that getting exploded by a 155mm Howitzer, or skewered on a pike, or swiss cheesed by a 50cal, or drowning with 150 of your friends in a sinking ship, or dying in agony from disease in a cramped room with hundreds of others that smells of death and rot, or being eaten by sharks in the pacific, or evaporating in a ball of plasma and radiation, or roasted alive in a pill box by sticky gasoline from a flamethrower, or being trampled by a horse, or suffocating under a mixture of mud and your best friend's blood, or or or or.... is more dignified or less horrifying than a flying land mine?

See Brandon F show an example of the raw brutality of linear warfare, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hP3SeJIVFk

There is nothing "cruel or unusual" about drones. Nothing at all. This is what war has always been.

Do you think people were being hyperbolic when they explained "war is hell"? Do you think soldiers with PTSD were just sissies and overreacting?

Did you think war was Glorious? Or Just? Or Noble? Or virtuous in literally any way?

ivewonyoung• 1 year ago

Also breaking news: Trump administration to resume military aid to Ukraine and intelligence sharing

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43335482

Trasmatta• 1 year ago

Will Russia agree?

mamonster• 1 year ago

IMO no. Russian conditions for a ceasefire have been pretty clear: There should be a concrete idea of the starting positions for negotiations, and what the sides will be negotiating over. The current starting positions are still incredibly far apart.

lawn2• 1 year ago

Even if they do, they've broken practically all agreements they've entered.

I'm sure they'll break it and lie about it and yell that Ukraine broke it first. Should be fairly easy for the west to verify though.

jerlam• 1 year ago

Even if Russia breaks the ceasefire, there is likely no punishment coming from the US. Unlike Ukraine, where breaking the ceasefire gives another excuse for the US to stop providing aid.

ungreased0675• 1 year ago

Did Russia previously agree to this 30-day ceasefire? It’s a little annoying that the story doesn’t include that bit, as it’s essential to understand the implications of this news.

ceejayoz7• 1 year ago

No; this is the US and Ukraine proposing one.

Russia seems likely to decline, but it apparently is enough to establish enough cover for Rubio to say we'll restart aid. We'll see if Trump torpedoes that in the next 24h or so.

red-iron-pine2• 1 year ago

We'll see if Trump torpedoes that in the next 24h or so.

which he almost certainly will.

really, the Russians just needed enough intelligence and asset coverage to launch a massive final blow against that Kursk salient that was almost surrounded.

there are a lot of good Ukrainian troops there, and a ceasefire gives UKR the ability to pullout without losses.

it's mostly grandstanding. and mostly matters not since Trump is doing everything he can to tank the US (and allied) economies.

crazygringo7• 1 year ago

Excellent news for Ukraine -- well-played on their end.

They got the US to resume military aid, they're demonstrating to Trump they're "ready for peace" which is what he wants -- and now Russia will almost certainly reject the unconditional ceasefire.

And it'll be much harder for Trump to continue claiming that Ukraine is the obstacle to peace here.

iteratethis4• 1 year ago

Russia will not reject this ceasefire. It concedes absolutely nothing which basically forces Russia to say yes to it. Because if they don't, they looks so unreasonable that actual negotiations will fail.

My guestimate of the Russian position:

- Ukraine cannot ever be part of NATO.

- Seized territory remains Russian

- Sanctions should be lifted.

Next, it will not allow a "peace force" at the buffer zone. Because Russia will be back after it repairs its economy.

kelipso4• 1 year ago

They will... Russia is at an advantage right now in the war. Ceasefire would allow Ukraine to regroup and will give Ukraine a better position in the peace negotiations. Unless there are other considerations, I don't see why Russia would agree to this.

jfengel• 1 year ago

Ukraine will not agree to both "never part of NATO" and "no peace force". Maybe one or the other, if pushed hard enough, but both together are a guarantee of Russian aggression. Immediately, in the form of border skirmishes, cyber-warfare, and assassinations.

Putin is going to have to think long and hard about what he can spin as a victory, because "undefended Ukraine" is not on the table.

Personally, I'd say he'd be better off abandoning the NATO one. Hungary can keep Ukraine out of NATO indefinitely. It would take some spin, but honestly, he could just claim "Ukraine will never join NATO" and that'll be true-enough for his audience.

tailspin2019• 1 year ago

I’m reading this news with a glimmer of hope.

A ceasefire of just 30 days seems like a good starting point, does not require any major concessions from either side and puts the ball in Russia’s court.

Given the US backing of this proposal, if Russia declines, it sends a pretty clear message about the “reasonableness” of their position (which obviously hasn’t ever been anything close to “reasonable”) and I think makes it that much harder for the Donald to side with them (though who can really predict what he’ll do).

If they agree, then hopefully this gives Ukraine just a bit of respite and starts a change of trajectory of this war. It also seems to be a small enough step to help Ukraine and the US realign - as far as that is possible - without looking like a major walk-back of the US position or looking like Ukraine has been strong-armed into something they didn’t really want to agree to (aka minerals deal without guarantees - though that may come next).

Still so many challenges ahead but I really hope this ceasefire happens.

kelipso4• 1 year ago

If they agree, then hopefully this gives Ukraine just a bit of respite and starts a change of trajectory of this war.

Looks like Russia is at an advantage in the war right now, so why would it be reasonable for Russia to agree to the ceasefire if this is the case.

amai• 1 year ago

You are implying Russia will only end the war if it has a disadvantage. That means the strategy of the US by putting pressure on Ukraine is completely wrong. It will make things worse. But everybody knew that already except the American president.

InDubioProRubio• 1 year ago

Hooray, every ten years, the charcuterie board of lands that Russia is dining from, has is still restocked- and they even have those little paper-towels, contracts and agreements and memorandums, they are so important to get the sweet-meat juices from the fingertips during the dining experience.

Now if the frack-addicts, could refill the whine about how their addiction sufferings are worse then those of the conquered, we have the full experience. Five out of five stars, would war there again.

Ukraine agrees to accept immediate, 30-day ceasefire -US-Ukraine statement

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