9 Scientists Receive a New Physics Prize

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/31/science/9-scientists-win-yuri-milners-fundamental-physics-prize.html

by shazad • 14 years ago

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beloch2• 14 years ago

"Unlike the Nobel in physics, the Fundamental Physics Prize can be awarded to scientists whose ideas have not yet been verified by experiments, which often occurs decades later. "

About half those awards went to string theorists, and they'll likely be waiting a lot longer than a few decades for experimental verification. Try centuries or never.

While I'm in favor of this kind of prize, I think this crop of winners shows a clear bias towards things that may not ever pan out while ignoring much more important contributions to science that are actually verifiable. Untestable theories are all well and dandy in that they might one day lead to something testable, but there's not much point in handing out awards for such stuff until it does!

danmaz742• 14 years ago

Having half of the first winners from the same field, considering that they will also constitute the committee that will choose the next winners, brings a pretty big risk to keep these awards biased.

But even theories that are not proved correct can advance human knowledge, by giving inspiration to other theories - even in different fields. So, in my opinion, an award for that kind of work could be useful in advancing science even if it doesn't award proven theories.

beloch2• 14 years ago

untestable != unproven

mattheww2• 14 years ago

Both Witten and Maldacena have made contributions that are being tested today. I'm not familiar with Sen's or Seiberg's work, but just from the summary, I can tell you that Sen's work is probably in the same boat.

jessriedel2• 14 years ago

> Both Witten and Maldacena have made contributions that are being tested today.

What are you referring to here? (Honest question.) Supersymmetry as a solution to the Hierarchy problem was an extremely important idea, and it is in the process of being ruled out by the LHC now (after hopes that is appear at LEP and the Tevatron also failed to materialize).

lancewiggs• 14 years ago

This is just fantastic. Well done to Yuri Milner for putting a huge amount of money ($3m per person, 9 people and the prize continues annually) into very long term thinking.

What a wonderful way to encourage physicists to resist the lure of Wall St.

spodek• 14 years ago

It sounds like an odd award to me. I can't see how its existence would motivate anyone to behave any differently, though I like that it creates more social recognition of science and scientists.

It reminds me of Richard Feynman not seeing any point in honors like the Nobel Prize. It may apply here, though many people think differently than he. Still, I suspect people don't go into physics for the money. They probably like the recognition of their peers, but I expect winners of this new award will already have that.

Feynman said, "I don’t see that it makes any point that someone in the Swedish academy just decides that this work is noble enough to receive a prize — I’ve already gotten the prize. The prize is the pleasure of finding a thing out, the kick in the discovery, the observation that other people use it — those are the real things. The honors are unreal to me. I don’t believe in honors."

From the article: "future recipients of the Fundamental Physics Prize, to be awarded annually, will be decided by previous winners."

More on Feynman, again not directly related, but close: he became so exasperated [at the National Academy of Sciences] that he resigned his membership, saying that he saw no point in belonging to an organization that spent most of its time deciding who to let in.

lusr• 14 years ago

It rewards people who contribute to science, who in turn can use the reward as they see fit. It is logical to believe that allocating wealth to people who have demonstrated high quality results will increase the number of future high quality results, which is surely a desirable result.

I'm puzzled by Feynman's attitude in those comments - he doesn't discuss the prize money at all, which one can easily see e.g. funding a number of students who might otherwise not be able to afford the type of education he received and thereby not receive the type of pleasure he speaks of.

cs702• 14 years ago

What distinguishes this prize from others is the sheer amount of money. The recipients gain a measure of financial freedom, allowing them to pursue their lifelong goals with much less regard to job and other mundane considerations.

emcl• 14 years ago

It's amusing to see skeptical comments, but these are theorist who are held in very high regard by their peers and not many in the community would dispute their getting the award. The days of proposing easily provable conjectures are over. Now its almost exclusively high energy physics that is being probed.

I feel that as the physics gets increasingly complex to formulate, the prize money should go up too. And there's no better time to give away generous prizes than the highly skewed economy of today.

carlob• 14 years ago

As an ex-physicist, I think this is very good to keep young minds that would be lured away from physics by the higher salaries elsewhere.

However, having visited IAS, where 4/9 of those guys are faculty I believe they are probably the ones who least need it.

They already are at the top of their career, they've secured a position in one of the most prestigious institutions in the world and they have amazing material conditions. They don't need to take students (they are actually discouraged to do so) and they have access to the most amazing cafeteria!

I'm also pretty sure that the prestige of the institution lands them some pretty good speaking gigs and consulting jobs on top of all that.

I don't mean to sound sour-grapey, but please give this money to people for whom this might actually make a big difference.

niels_olson• 14 years ago

Thank you for giving me something to share with people who tell my kids to focus on sports.

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