These years in Common Lisp: 2023-2024 in review

https://lisp-journey.gitlab.io/blog/these-years-in-common-lisp-2023-2024-in-review/

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superdisk• 1 year ago

Hey, my little webassembly demo was linked, cool. Nice article!

sorrythanks• 1 year ago

so was mine!

-__---____-ZXyw• 1 year ago

A complete treasure trove, wonderful!

nesarkvechnep• 1 year ago

A few cool thing happened! I might give the CLOS course a try! I’m a functional guy but I feel CLOS isn’t your typical object system.

dartos• 1 year ago

As a functional fan, CLOS is amazing.

f1shy2• 1 year ago

When I learned CLOS it was the first time OOP started making sense for me.

codr7• 1 year ago

My main takeaway was multi-methods, they didn't really click for me before I started seriously digging into CLOS. I wish more languages supported them/played around with similar ideas.

pjmlp6• 1 year ago

Indeed, most successful FP languages have their OOP like approaches.

Another thing all modern Lisps have since the 1980's, is all major data structures, not only lists as many think when discussing Lisp.

fovc2• 1 year ago

Having the data structures is nice and all, but using them is kind of painful. They are certainly second class.

Having to use accessor functions or destructuring macros instead of just a period or -> is often annoying too. The lack of syntax has cons as well as pros.

ludston3• 1 year ago

Common Lisp isn't a functional programming language to be clear.

runevault2• 1 year ago

As someone who's dabbled with Scheme, Clojure, and CL long ago and started wanting to get back into CL, I really enjoyed that course as a combination refresher plus deep dive into some topics I didn't really know before (including CLOS).

nextos2• 1 year ago

CLOS is great, but CL also supports pure typed FP with https://coalton-lang.github.io

Coalton progress is discussed briefly in the OP: https://lisp-journey.gitlab.io/blog/these-years-in-common-li...

trenchgun• 1 year ago

Coalton is its own language, just implemented and embedded in CL.

pronoiac• 1 year ago

I've worked on PAIP, and I think the GitHub.com version - https://github.com/norvig/paip-lisp/ - gets more attention than the GitHub.io version linked here. The GitHub.io version automatically gets updates, I think, but I'm not verifying the Markdown works over there.

waynenilsen• 1 year ago

Is there a web framework that is reasonably popular/supported?

runevault2• 1 year ago

Might be worth checking out this[1], one of the sites linked from awesome-cl that teaches setting up webdev. And looks like it uses Hunchentoot which is what I've always seen every time I looked into backend webdev in CL

[1] https://web-apps-in-lisp.github.io/

tempodox• 1 year ago

https://edicl.github.io/hunchentoot/

aidenn0• 1 year ago

What do you expect from a web framework? That means different things to different people. I don't really like frameworks, so I used a web-server abstraction layer named "clack."

Radiance[0] is a more traditional web-framework, with interfaces for backend-storage, web-servers, templating, authentication &c.

Hunchentoot gives you basic route definitions out-of-the-box (bring your own database), and for something more full-featured there is CLOG[1] and Reblocks[2]

0: https://shirakumo.github.io/radiance

1: https://github.com/rabbibotton/clog

2: https://40ants.com/reblocks/

silcoon• 1 year ago

Caveman2 is a good framework used with lack and clack. There are tutorials on the web.

vtail• 1 year ago

The most unexpected news to me was that Hacker News, apparently, runs on top of SBCL now, via a secret implementation of Arc in Common Lisp!

Y_Y• 1 year ago

Ya, when are we going to hear about "Clarc"? Where's the source?

tmtvl4• 1 year ago

I read that the source won't be made available because it contains some anti-spam (anti-abuse?) measures that would be easily circumvented if the source were open. Security through obscurity is famously no security at all, but I can see how it can reduce the noise that dang has to deal with a bit.

osmano807• 1 year ago

I really like this, as from an outsider it seems that CL doesn't have a community and the few packages it has are more like building blocks for customizing and implementing you required functionality rather than packaged black boxes. With all those new languages, it appears that the value proposition of CL is dwindling, static checking feels primitive, macros are easily attainable now, and live runtime image manipulation misses the point on the world of short lived containers.

reikonomusha• 1 year ago

CL has Coalton, which is the implementation of a static type system beyond Haskell 95. Full multiparameter type classes, functional dependencies, some persistent data structures, type-oriented optimization (including specialization and monomorphization). All integrated and native to CL without external tools.

Live image manipulation isn't quite as useful as it once was for runtime program deployment. But it's still a differentiating feature for incremental and interactive development—before you compile binaries to deploy. Tools like Jupyter notebooks don't come close for actual (especially professional) software development.

Onavo• 1 year ago

Everybody forgets about SICL. It's one of the few new CL implementations that's not proprietary or copyleft.

https://github.com/robert-strandh/SICL

KingMob• 1 year ago

I wonder how often people encountering it assume it's a typo of SICP?

veqq2• 1 year ago

Truly, I've never heard of it and it didn't come up searching in any of my favorite spots.

cracauer• 1 year ago

Too bad the jobs are all gone by now.

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