Mysterious Bay Area Rationalist-Adjacent Group 'Ziz' Linked to Six Deaths

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/ziz-lasota-zizians-rationalism-20063671.php

by thoughtpeddler • 1 year ago

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thoughtpeddler• 1 year ago

Un-paywall'd: https://archive.is/geYcZ

mannerheim• 1 year ago

'We have the Manson family at home'

BizarroLand• 1 year ago

This is fascinating in its own way. I don't know if it is the writer who is good at their job of weaving the story together, adding questions and intrigue without answers or if it's the subject itself.

reducesuffering• 1 year ago

It’s the story itself. The Ziz trainwreck has been years in the making since 2019 when they went nuts on the retreat protest in Sonoma. Since then it’s been obvious to people in the rationalist sphere Ziz was great at manipulating people and themselves into delusions, and so erratic as to be highly dangerous when people in that sphere were committing suicide.

legitster• 1 year ago

Wow. What a riveting read.

A violent coast-to-coast network of extremist, tripping, rationalist vegans that recruits technophile transgender women and murders witnesses. You could not concoct a more sensationalist story if you tried.

emchammer• 1 year ago

Persons with identity insecurity are vulnerable. I bet that this is just one of the more visible stories, a cult who operate openly saying that what they are doing is good.

nis0s• 1 year ago

For anyone else who worries about encountering disingenuous and duplicitous people in intellectual circles, remember that intellectuals don’t require religious adherence to their way of thinking. You can tell the difference between passionate intellectuals versus sociopaths by noticing how they treat you if you disagree with them. Sociopaths, or some mentally-ill people, will seek to dominate you, and don’t care about your personhood or individuality, or your right to disagree.

Mysterious Bay Area Rationalist-Adjacent Group 'Ziz' Linked to Six Deaths

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