Why HTML5 Will Succeed for Gaming

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by skadamat • 14 years ago

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azakai8• 14 years ago

> Apple, Microsoft, Google, Mozilla - four of the largest tech companies

One of those is not like the others.

cryptoz• 14 years ago

Which one? They all produce web browsers, operating systems, a collection of user software and all have millions or more in revenue.

kajecounterhack• 14 years ago

Mozilla is nonprofit. (Incidentally, almost all of its revenue comes from Google.)

azakai8• 14 years ago

> Which one? They all produce web browsers, operating systems, a collection of user software and all have millions or more in revenue.

The quote in TFA was "four of the largest tech companies". There is at least a 2-3 orders of magnitude (100X-1000X) difference between one of those companies and the other three. The other three are rightfully called "three of the largest tech companies".

uvTwitch4• 14 years ago

Mozilla operates on millions; the others operate on billions.

programminggeek• 14 years ago

HTML5 is not going to change the world for gaming. It's great for in-browser games now, but mobile has "changed the game" so to speak. The visibility you get by having a great mobile game in the app stores is huge for finding users and making money.

If I were writing a game today, I'd do it on mobile first and work backwards to desktop from there, not the other way around. There are plenty of great tools for that - cocos2d, corona, etc..

That being said, in a future where supporting multiple platforms is a must, HTML5 might be great place to start, even for mobile, but it's still very early and immature at the moment. Great for demos and proof of concepts for cheap, I don't know that I'd bet the farm on it yet.

jmduke2• 14 years ago

I don't follow game development much -- I thought one of the reasons HTML5 was so widely touted was because it streamlined mobile game development -- instead of writing an Android and an iOS version of a game, you could write it in HTML5? I'm surely I'm vastly oversimplifying the issue -- what am I missing?

phoboslab3• 14 years ago

Screen size, sound and performance issues are the main problem. I recently wrote a Making Of for one of my games that offers a few more details:

http://www.phoboslab.org/log/2012/06/x-type-making-of

teamonkey• 14 years ago

Using HTML5 is certainly no easier than one of the many other cross-platform frameworks out there.

The touted advantage is that you can run games without going through the app store and therefore losing 30% of potential revenue to Apple.

seanalltogether• 14 years ago

The biggest problem with HTML5 gaming right now is that Canvas rendering is designed to be single threaded and Flash sprite and bitmap rendering is multithreaded. Canvas is a direct draw api and Flash uses a deferred renderer. WebGL can overcome that problem, but most people writing web games naturally gravitate towards simple 2d canvas apis.

phoboslab3• 14 years ago

That's a problem of the implementation, not of the API.

Modern browsers have hardware acceleration for Canvas2D now. In my experience, it's already way faster than Flash ever was.

kunle• 14 years ago

I don't buy this. Apple was pushing HTML5 as an alternative to flash. Definitely true.

Apple has no preference for HTML5 as an alternative to native iOS. Native is simply faster, and better on iOS, and as long as Apple continues to have dedicated teams whose entire purpose is improving native iOS (and as long as they continue advancing the hardware), it's tough to believe why HTML5 will ever catch up.

If you believe native iOS encourages lock-in (As in, Apple doesnt make tons of money from apps, relative to hardware, but the apps make the hardware more compelling to consumers), then strategically, backing a technology that does not encourage lock-in, doesnt make that much sense.

It seems to me that most of the people who believe that HTML5 is the wave of the future (particularly in gaming), dont actually make games (or make money from games).

It will always be more profitable to make an awesome game in native, and monetize it on iOS first, than to make a less capable game in HTML5, and spread that around to every platform. Just my tuppence.

mtgx• 14 years ago

"WebGL - Everyone but Microsoft is in agreement that WebGL is the way to go for 3d graphics in a browser."

Things like these are the reason IE keeps losing market share. Why limit yourself to the little functionality of IE? That's why Chrome is growing and keeps getting recommended to others.

ilaksh5• 14 years ago

See I think that for IE to provide a really powerful capable web platform goes directly against Microsoft's business interests, because they have the most dominant native platform.

ilaksh5• 14 years ago

Everyone thinks I am a 'conspiracy theorist' or something for saying this, but I really think that Microsoft is holding back WebGL for business reasons.

Microsoft is very dominant in games because most PC games require Windows. If WebGL were to really take off/become a popular way of distributing/consuming PC games, which would be 10 or 100x more likely to happen if Windows supported it out of the box via Internet Explorer, you would have to expect to see lots of relatively inexpensive and even free 3D games that run in the browser, and take little or no time to install.

Even with Microsoft refusing to support it, now with Pointer Lock API coming very soon to a regular Firefox release (tomorrow??) and probably Chrome soon also, it will be possible to release a FPS or MMO on a website with native browser technology. Throw in the momentum and capabilities of Node.js, and I think that means choosing a web stack has big advantages as far as ease of development for a lot of multiplayer 3D games.

I also think that where JavaScript/JS-based languages like CoffeeScript are really going to shine and be popular is in scripting for multiplayer 3D environments online.

I think that mainly we are just waiting for Pointer Lock, maybe a tiny bit better collaboration between browser and driver developers, and some social momentum.

When WebGL takes off, Microsoft Windows sales will take a big hit because people will be able to play the popular games on Macs or even on Linux machines.

azakai8• 14 years ago

> Everyone thinks I am a 'conspiracy theorist' or something for saying this, but I really think that Microsoft is holding back WebGL for business reasons.

You're not a conspiracy theorist, and I think you are 100% right here.

> When WebGL takes off, Microsoft Windows sales will take a big hit because people will be able to play the popular games on Macs or even on Linux machines.

I believe that when WebGL takes off, Microsoft will support it.

Say what you will of Microsoft, it is a rational player in the market. If everyone plays WebGL games, IE will not be the only browser - and Windows 8 tablets the only device - that cannot play that content. Microsoft will simply implement WebGL (it probably already has internally).

derleth3• 14 years ago

> Microsoft will simply implement WebGL

But you still have to wonder what this will do to their profitable desktop business, and hence their share value, and hence their shareholder confidence.

I suppose I'm really wondering if Microsoft can turn into an IBM.

uvTwitch4• 14 years ago

I don't agree. The sorts of games that are microsoft-exclusive are mostly big-name high-performance titles, not the sort of casual free-to-play minimal-intensity stuff that's possible with HTML5. Javascript is nowhere near performant enough to be suitable for AAA development, and plenty of casual titles are often ported to multiplatform more reliably via flash / unity or similar.

It's not the lack of WebGL that keeps studios developing primarily for Microsoft platforms; it's the ability to write low level, native code in high performance languages, the ability to have as few layers inbetween game and hardware as possible. Writing native, you have hardware - os - api - game; if you're creating a high caliber performance-critical title such as, say, unreal, quake, starcraft, or half-life, why on earth would you choose to use hardware - os - api - browser - browser api - game?

ilaksh5• 14 years ago

Quake 3 WebGL demo http://media.tojicode.com/q3bsp/

GLSL test tool http://www.iquilezles.org/apps/shadertoy/

http://www.khronos.org/webgl/wiki/Getting_Started

WebGL is a cross-platform, royalty-free API used to create 3D graphics in a Web browser. Based on OpenGL ES 2.0, WebGL uses the OpenGL shading language, GLSL, and offers the familiarity of the standard OpenGL API.

WebGL is a low-level API, so it's not for the faint of heart. OpenGL's shading language, GLSL, is itself an entire programming environment.

luriel2• 14 years ago

"I agree with Microsoft’s assessment that WebGL is a severe security risk. The gfx driver culture is not the culture of security." -- John Carmack

And Carmack is not precisely known as a MS cheerleader.

azakai8• 14 years ago

Carmack is right - there are security risks with allowing web content to run GPU shaders.

But Microsoft is inconsistent since it allows Silverlight content to run GPU shaders - proving that while there are risks, they are manageable, especially with Microsoft's deep security measures in recent Windows versions.

AshleysBrain3• 14 years ago

The issues with drivers can be and are being mitigated. The question is will Microsoft support WebGL once drivers are secure? I still doubt it, for the business reasons.

AshleysBrain3• 14 years ago

I didn't think this was a conspiracy theory, I thought it was obvious!

Maybe not now but in future if 3D gaming is equally great on all platforms, who needs windows?

In fact I thought this was just part of the broader strategy of Internet Explorer. Read Bill Gates' 1995 Internet Tidal Wave letter. He's worried the Internet will become the new platform where people use apps and make Windows irrelevant. What did they do? The first browser wars left IE6 stagnating - meaning you had to make any serious apps for desktop, and that meant mainly Windows. Even though they're losing share now, they still won: 5+ years of extra Windows license sales. That's a lot of money, and even arguably bought them enough time to survive Vista.

Microsoft are more forwards-looking than they are given credit for, I think. Gates foresaw what is happening now, which is apps are moving to the web and making the OS irrelevant, as far back as 1995 - and took successful steps to stop it. Lack of WebGL support is exactly the same routine for the same reasons.

zanny• 14 years ago

> Microsoft Windows sales will take a big hit because people will be able to play the popular games on Macs or even on Linux machines.

Nope, because only 1% of computer users ever install their own OS, and less than that build their own, so they are buying prebuilt machines from distributors that put Windows on it. They see Linux and reject change, and try to stay close to the platform they have used for a decade, even if it is shoddy. And they would never fathom going through the process of installing an operating system.

It would start a trend towards Linux, if PC gamers could switch to barebones distros to optimize their rigs performance in games (yay for cruft like Aero desktop slowing down 3d performance), then Linux becomes "cool", and soon the communal nerd of every family is actively putting it on pcs to play games, and then the parents get used to it, etc.

But that is a gradual thing, and having the ability to play web games on Linux doesn't translate into a jump off the Microsoft bandwagon any more than the tens of millions of people who use their laptops only for Facebook and Twitter have jumped in the last 5 years.

mattvot• 14 years ago

Can someone explain this issue I have an issue with HTML5 games.

I don't know much about WebGL etc, but I do know that JavaScript is used to direct the game.

So to that end, considering JavaScript cannot be compiled and then sent to the browser to render, anyone can view the source. Anyone can hack it up. How do you solve this?

ilaksh5• 14 years ago

Once you obfuscate the JavaScript code, its actually a similar situation to that with Java or even regular C++ programs to a lesser extent, because you can still 'hack it up'. Look at all of the mods for Minecraft, for example.

debacle3• 14 years ago

Not true. You can't really obfuscate JavaScript in a meaningful manner without making it slower.

Ralith• 14 years ago

Any network system that relies on the integrity of the client to maintain security is fundementally broken.

ehsanu1• 14 years ago

Clients can be hacked anyways, whether compiled or not. This has always been true. The only way to make a game secure is to keep all the game logic and data server-side. This means clients only act as dumb terminals: they provide input to the servers, and render the output.

bsphil• 14 years ago

For low-end gaming to replace flash? Sure, that was inevitable and the writing has been on the wall for the demise of flash for years now.

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