Next.js 15 and Turbopack Dev (Stable)

by leerob • 2 years ago

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mdhb• 2 years ago

All I can see is more lock in and less interoperability with anything else. Seems like a liability to be honest

jsk26002• 2 years ago

Hi, we are building our product in NextJS, and I was wondering what you meant by lock-in and less interoperability. Thanks!

morbicer3• 2 years ago

On one end you have something like https://vike.dev, very light framework. It might not have all the bells and whistles like Next but your code is going to be your code and if you change your mind you should be able to switch to anything in the future.

In the middle you have something like Astro or Remix. More creature comforts but they try to be close to web standards. Remix forms can work without js.

Then on the opposite end you have Next. Monkey patching fetch method, headache inducing cache behavior (now probably finally gone by default), common breaking changes, strange middleware implementation, relying on unstable React features and most importantly the only-on-Vercel features: Incremental Static Regeneration, image optimization etc. No other framework needs sth like https://opennext.js.org/

prng20212• 2 years ago

“We've focused heavily on stability”

Fantastic, it only has 2550 open bugs now! /s

bluelightning2k• 2 years ago

Without any frame of reference this seems to simply be a function of the popularity and usage of a complex project like this.

Chromium has 120 new issues opened so far today. Does that therefore make it a bad browser engine doomed to failure?

bartekpacia• 2 years ago

This.

Another example: Flutter has 12k issues, but that's because it's the most popular cross-platform app framework. Also it's not all literally issues, it's just a tracking board for all kinds of "things" that need to be tracked.

prng20212• 2 years ago

Fair, I’ll provide some reference.

Next has 130k stars and 2550 issues labeled as bugs.

Svelte has 80k stars and 64 issues labeled bugs.

Vue has 47k stars and 80 issues labels bugs.

Remix has 30k stars and 240 issues labeled bugs.

terandle• 2 years ago

Great release! People should be much happier with the new caching defaults.

blovescoffee2• 2 years ago

Next js gets so much hate on HN. In my experience, it's been great. It's kind of like Apple in that, if you buy into the ecosystem, you unlock great benefits. Fwiw we're running on cloudflare at my work and it's been one of the most enjoyable DX I've had in a long time. RTFM and you'll be fine. Listen to conference talks and you'll understand why some of the 'weird' decisions were made - they might not even seem so weird anymore.

aitchnyu• 2 years ago

Tangential, does any heavyweight framework allow user to hit back and it loads exact content and scroll position, out of the box? HTMX does it perfectly, since its "unit of serialization" is html dom instead of components and internal state.

Next.js 15 and Turbopack Dev (Stable)

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