Climate scientists baffled by unexpected pace of heating

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/article/2024/aug/15/we-should-have-better-answers-by-now-climate-scientists-baffled-by-unexpected-pace-of-heating

by BerislavLopac • 2 years ago

11 8 2 years ago

theguardian.com

mandmandam4• 2 years ago

The 2017 study [0] linked in the article showed that:

Only about one in eight Americans (13%) understand that nearly all climate scientists (more than 90%) are convinced that human-caused global warming is happening.

And the numbers are pretty similar in Britain [1], where people estimate the consensus at only 65%.

... At what point, if ever, do we hold politicians, media and fossil fuel corporations responsible for their disinformation on this? When does/did radical action, however unpopular, become necessary self defense?

0 - https://climatecommunication.yale.edu/publications/climate-c...

1 - https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/public-hugely-underestimate-scien...

BerislavLopac2• 2 years ago

At what point, if ever, do we hold politicians, media and fossil fuel corporations responsible for their disinformation on this?

Well, it heavily depends on how we define "we". Two out of those three groups are both supposed to uphold the responsibility of others.

mandmandam4• 2 years ago

it heavily depends on how we define "we"

No need to get overly semantic. We the people. We the 90% who have no representation in media or politics.

Two out of those three groups are both supposed to uphold the responsibility of others.

Sure, and throw the legal system in there too. They're not fit for purpose, unless you realize what their purpose really is - upholding and maintaining a murderous, genocidal, apocalyptic status quo. No exaggeration.

katzinsky• 2 years ago

I don't think you're interpreting those statistics correctly.

Most Americans can agree climate scientists think the climate change is man made while still thinking we don't have an effect on it.

mandmandam4• 2 years ago

I don't think I'm misinterpreting those statistics at all.

Most Americans can agree climate scientists think the climate change is man made

The statistic I cited (verbatim) shows that Americans grossly underestimate the level of consensus.

Even though only 1 out of 100 climate scientists - or even one in 1000 - disagree that humans are causing global heating, 7 out of every 8 Americans falsely believe that there's >10-100x more dissent.

Only 1 in 8 Americans put the consensus at over 90%, when in fact it's more like 99.9%.

That's because our media and political (and banking, and military, and legal) institutions are selling out the entire planet. Have been for decades.

while still thinking we don't have an effect on it.

Most Americans actally do know we're fucking up the planet. "Over half of Americans (58%) understand that global warming is mostly human caused" - from the same link as above. That 58% ought to be far higher, all the same.

We are not being represented in policy or media, and the scientific consensus is being systematically misrepresented (for cash) by the people we employ to make good decisions for the future.

pjkundert• 2 years ago

- subsea temperature increases impossible to explain by any atmospheric heating mechanism

- complete predictive failure of all atmospheric models, over both the last 2 decades, and the last year

But, trust us — we’re “the science”, and we totally know what’s going on, and you should give us trillions of dollars and sacrifice your economy and standard of living to follow our suggestions to address “the problem”.

No, I can’t imagine why “Americans” aren’t flocking to do as these “climate scientists“ say.

Climate scientists baffled by unexpected pace of heating

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