More Than 650 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims

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by gibsonf1 • 18 years ago

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pg• 18 years ago

If anything this article makes me more convinced global warming is a real problem, not less. It has the tone of an infomercial, and they seem to have had to dig very deep to find people to quote.

Prrometheus• 18 years ago

It does have the design of a web page trying to sell me Viagra... in 1999. However, the few people they quoted looked like their credentials were reasonably legit ("award-winning" is meaningless. However, many had degrees in the right fields, and had worked for legitimate organizations).

I don't know what the credentials of the whole 400 looks like, though. It is interesting that when supporters of climate change alarm have petitions like this, it is considered a faux pas to question its validity. You are accused of being anti-science if you do. I suppose that is what the "politicization of science" means in practice.

The point is to challenge the idea that the "science is settled", and that you are a quack/heretic/flat-earther if you disagree.

aristus2• 18 years ago

It doesn't convince me either way, but it does bother me that it's been a long time since I've heard anything other than "scientist counts" for and against, rather than actual evidence.

Forget the scientist counts -- a lot of doctors went to their graves denouncing Pasteur as a quack. What's the actual evidence for and against? What's the CO2 count lately? Is that number significant? Have ocean levels risen? Where? How much? Etc.

The financial crisis is pretty complex too but there have been many insightful and detailed essays written about it.

mattmaroon7• 18 years ago

All of that evidence is easy to find. It's not what the media reports on because the average CNN viewer can't handle it.

KevBurnsJr• 18 years ago

Arguing about the cause of global warming is like standing on the railroad tracks arguing whether the train is your fault. We see the train, and it ain't stoppin'.

http://www.nrmsc.usgs.gov/files/norock/research/glacier_anim...

The debate is moot. Time to concern ourselves with stepping out of the way.

EliAndrewC• 18 years ago

I've never quite understood this argument. If humans are causing and/or worsening global warming, then understanding how we're doing this will let us know what we can do to mitigate it.

Retric2• 18 years ago

AC is one example of mitigation that is independent of cause.

I think it's important to compare the cost of preventing global worming vs dealing with global worming. I suspect that finding a cheep alternative to Coal power plants and internal combustion cars is going to be the cheapest long term solution, but there are a wide range of options. In the end CO2 can only have a finite impact on global worming so the question becomes what trade offs are worth it.

PS: When other options become cheaper then stopping becomes "free".

DanielBMarkham• 18 years ago

Grass grows over mountain inside of 200 years. Film at 11.

Forgive me for not panicking, but somehow I missed the comparison with other planets and 10,000,000 year graphics that put this in perspective.

Oh. That's right. We have no other examples of complex ecosystems to draw on, and scant little data to draw conclusions with on with our current climate.

But by all means, it must be disaster on its way.

timr3• 18 years ago

"...scant little data to draw conclusions with on with our current climate"

Yeah, I guess the scientists just forgot to put data in the IPCC reports, and the tens of thousands of peer-reviewed articles on the subject that came before them.

kingkongrevenge11• 18 years ago

There are more growing glaciers than shrinking glaciers.

mseebach• 18 years ago

No?

If global warming is happening for whatever non-man-made-CO2 reason, spending ridiculous amounts of money cutting carbon won't help us.

Since that's the preferred public policy option these days, it's pretty relevant arguing over the cause.

kingkongrevenge11• 18 years ago

The state of the debate is now whether global warming is even happening, not potential warming causes.

khafra• 18 years ago

I'm not sure your conclusion follows from your premise. For instance, it could be the case that global warming is caused entirely by increased sun activity, but that concerted human effort to decrease atmospheric greenhouse gasses could still cool the earth off. Combinatorily, I see 7 possibilities combining global warming (exists/doesn't), and is (entirely/partially/not at all) anthropogenic, and (can/cannot) be ameliorated by human effort.

*sponsored by the committee for strong syllogisms

josefresco• 18 years ago

"Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly.As a scientist I remain skeptical."

Whoopty fricken' do, you're "skeptical", now how about you actually go out and do some 'science' and prove some people wrong. Simply writing a letter about how you're skeptical does nothing, solves nothing and is just a distraction.

Paul_Morgan• 18 years ago

This is a minority report blog. It's just more Republican propaganda using the senate.gov source to give it credibility.

timr3• 18 years ago

Wow. Six-hundred fifty, eh? That sure is a big number!

(Sounds like we need another Project Steve:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Steve)

earle• 18 years ago

Listen. Mars is heating at the same rate as Earth.

The explanation is really that simple.

More Than 650 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims

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