Wine 9.0 RC1 – Run Windows Applications on Linux, BSD, Solaris and macOS

https://www.winehq.org/announce/9.0-rc1

by neustradamus • 3 years ago

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0xDEADFED5• 3 years ago

i'm a diehard Windows fan, but Linux is so awesome these days i'm almost ready to have Linux be my default GRUB entry

amlib• 3 years ago

I used to religiously read the Wine release entries, looking for fixes and improvements. For me it was an indispensable tool in making Linux more usable. However nowadays (specially in the last 3 years or so) Linux has matured so much that I rarely need it for running applications, most Linux counterparts seem to satisfy me. For games I've also mostly switched to Steam's more convenient method of running Windows games.

maxrecursion• 3 years ago

Care to share what "Steam's more convenient method of running Windows games" is?

I love Linux, but gaming is the only thing keeping me going back to Linux as my main OS. I heard that Linux can play most steam games except Multiplayer online games due to the anti-cheat software not being designed for windows.

jklehm• 3 years ago

Steam uses Proton + Wine under the hood and yeah it works pretty great these days!

ycnewswin• 3 years ago

any advice for switching to Linux?

S04dKHzrKT4• 3 years ago

I think my best tip would be to remain persistent. If you're like me, I can get frustrated easily when I'm proficient with $tool1 and $tool2 can do the same thing but in a different way. It's then easy for me to just go back to $tool1.

For gaming specifically, AMD graphics cards tend have fewer driver problems than Nvidia (though some Nvidia users don't ever run into issues). Commonly recommended distros are Arch (or Arch-based like EndeavourOS), Pop!_OS and Fedora.

d3Xt3r2• 3 years ago

That really depends on your requirements, workflow, and the type of PC/hw you're planning to run it on.

But a general advice would be give it a good try first on your real hardware before you switch to it, and approach it with a mindset that this is a completely different operating system, and not everything will work the way it used to in Windows - you may need to ditch some software completely, and change the way you do certain things. If you rely on programs like Wine or Proton you should expect bugs. If you have an nVidia GPU, there's a good chance you'll run into issues or limitations sooner or later.

Only attempt switching if you're prepared to deal with all this, and have tons of patience.

Other than that, a good way to try out Linux would be to install Ventoy[1] on a USB drive, and copy a bunch of different Linux ISOs to it. Ventoy allows you to boot from multiple different ISOs/image files, so you don't need to prepare a different bootable USB every time. Some ISO recommendations: Pop!_OS, Zorin, ElementaryOS, Nobara, Linux Mint

[1] https://ventoy.net/en/index.html

asimovfan• 3 years ago

How and why does one become a diehard windows fan?

notamy• 3 years ago

TIL Solaris is still actively developed, with the last release being from mid-September! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_Solaris

29athrowaway3• 3 years ago

Mandatory video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc

giancarlostoro• 3 years ago

The project that is no longer actively developed is OpenSolaris:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSolaris

29athrowaway3• 3 years ago

There are Illumos distributions such as OpenIndiana that fill the void left by OpenSolaris.

azzentys• 3 years ago

The day Altium ends up running properly under Wine - is the day I remove the Windows installation on my device.

viraptor2• 3 years ago

Seems to be close https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=applicatio...

Make sure you report your specific problems. For the stuff that's not used by general population you need to put in some work, but I got a couple of apps fixed through bug reports.

2Gkashmiri• 3 years ago

How does a non developer do that? I have 2-3 accounting softwares that don't seem to work.

Emsigner (digital signature tool) which is built for income tax only also doesn't work but don't know how I can attempt small fixes.

resters• 3 years ago

Does anyone know if vivado works on Wine / Macos?

Uptrenda• 3 years ago

I really can't imagine anything worse than trying to support the Windows API. I'm sure there are those of us here who still have nightmares from the famous Charles Petzold "Programming Windows" book. In this 1500+ page tomb the author takes us through writing various "simple" Windows programs that use the Win32 API. Doing this lets you write programs on Windows that have minimal dependencies... But big disclaimer... it ain't easy.

Windows API functions are known universally for their monstrous number of parameters. Mountains and mountains of arguments that are 'reserved', 'optional', 'undefined', 'undocumented', 'hidden', 'deprecated', and so on. What made Windows so successful for developers and users was ensuring that every new release remained backwards compatible. That which is Windows biggest feature now becomes it's biggest flaw leading to an inhuman API. I imagine somewhere in hell there is a level reserved for torturing programmers. In this level they are forced to re-implement software with Win32 functions while the devil laughs 'come on! It's only 15,000 lines! You can do it!'

Here we see the Wine developers doing this 'for fun.' One can only conclude from this that they are either masochists or have gone totally insane.

poisonborz• 3 years ago

It might be complex, but at least is stable. Nothing is deprecated and only sightly extended, with most processes relying on old APIs. Microsoft, when doing the counterpart (supporting linux kernel syscalls) just gave up and resorted to VM.

Zardoz842• 3 years ago

Because the shit filesystem API of Windows, not because there was a problem with Linux/Unix syscalls. At the end, is more IO perfomant to run a VM using a file as hard disk (or a real hard disk), that using the windows native filesystem API under the simple POSIX filesystem API.

mkljczk• 3 years ago

The majority of Wine contributions comes from CodeWeavers, the company providing commercial support for Wine and working on Proton with Valve. Google is funding development of Wayland support on Wine which is being worked on by a Collabora developer. This is so far from doing this just 'for fun', though I'm sure most of them actually have fun working on this.

abdusco• 3 years ago

Does Directory Opus work on Wine? I think that's the only app that's keeping me on Windows. Nothing comes close to it in terms of the set of features when it comes to file management on Linux or MacOS.

out_of_protocol2• 3 years ago

Double Commander? Basically clone of Total Commander

gbin• 3 years ago

Reading the list of features I see that dolphin from kde under Linux checks a lot of those boxes, which ones in particular do you miss?

out_of_protocol2• 3 years ago

Not sure about Directory Opus, but Total Commander on windows (and Double Commander on other platforms, attempt to recreate TC, partial success) can do a lot of stuff. E.g. powerful mass rename, advanced queue management for file operations, intelligent "resume" for larger file copying - it checks beginning/end bytes plus ~3 random points inside to to be sure you can continue on copying that huge file cut in the middle. You can color files/folders by conditions, e.g. files/folders created today are red and music files with bitrate 128 or lower are gray. Also, lister (built in preview on F3) - you can scroll through dozen-GB sized log file in seconds. Search is great, you can find duplicate images bigger than 512x512 and show them on file panel for any processing. And plugings. Lots of plugins. For archive formats, for lister, for mass-rename, for file system, for additional columns etc

fulafel• 3 years ago

Isn't that an Amiga app?

m_kos3• 3 years ago

I can't switch to Linux because I need fully functional Microsoft 365 desktop apps; mainly Word, Excel, and PowerPoint. Are there any reasonable options beyond running Windows in a VM?

Shawnj2• 3 years ago

Do the opposite and run WSL?

rnd0• 3 years ago

Probably the best advice, to be honest. At least it's what I do after getting tired off issues like nvidia screen tearing and things just not working as smoothly as they do in windows (for me, at least).

candrewlee14• 3 years ago

Do the web browser offerings of those apps not cut it?

m_kos3• 3 years ago

Not quite. For example, the web apps don't support COM add-ins.

gaws• 3 years ago

I need fully functional Microsoft 365 desktop apps; mainly Word, Excel, and PowerPoint.

Why? There are alternatives to those three that work well on Linux, namely OpenOffice and LibreOffice.

m_kos3• 3 years ago

They support the same files, but in terms of features they aren't equivalent, especially in a business environment.

Wine 9.0 RC1 – Run Windows Applications on Linux, BSD, Solaris and macOS

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