Kevin Korb's Jokes: Care and Feeding of Your Hacker

http://www.sanitarium.net/jokes/getjoke.cgi?41

by jacquesm • 14 years ago

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sounds• 14 years ago

I first thought from the title that it was a guide for your S.O. ( http://www.google.com/search?q=a+girls+guide+to+geeks )

Still a fun read. If you're not familiar with the Jargon File, you may find you lose a few unaccountable hours there.

gonzo• 14 years ago

Moar esr-fluffing.

99992• 14 years ago

What does the East Somerset Railway have to do with this article, and how is the article fluffing the East Somerset Railway?

Some useful individual noted that he is referring to Eric S. Raymond, not the East Somerset Railway, but then deleted their comment after getting downvoted. I will continue to assume that we're all talking about fluffing the East Somerset Railway, because that is more amusing.

coderdude3• 14 years ago

"No. Hackers aren't, contrary to media reporting, the people who break into computers. Those are crackers."

Calling hackers crackers when they really do mean 'hackers' needs to be curbed (or maybe not, language evolves). Crackers break open and reverse engineer software. They are not the security system hackers that most people definitely mean to refer to when they use the word. When the warez scene was huge there was a very clear understanding of what the terms meant and you would have never seen a group misusing the term. Maybe this is occurring because people want to be able to apply the latest popular meaning of 'hacker' to themselves but also want to avoid possible negative connotations.

Or perhaps I have everything reversed and it is the old warez scene that turned 'cracker' on its head and used it for their own purposes. (My Carl Sagan-esque reflection on both possibilities.)

koeselitz• 14 years ago

Indeed. And this complicated little distinction is complicated even further by the fact that "cracker" happens to be a derogatory term for poor white people in the American South. Explaining to people that they're using the wrong word, and the right word they ought to be using is a word they always thought was a semi-offensive sort of ethnic slur, is almost impossible, and probably not worth the effort.

Personally, I think we've reached the point where computers are more demystified, and we can talk in neutral terms with people about these things. To me, being a hacker means taking things apart and learning how they work; that's a morally neutral act. You can take things apart and learn how they work in order to steal money, or in order to build a great system for helping deliver donated meals to the homeless, or in order to fix something that's broken.

coderdude3• 14 years ago

Forgive me for taking this in a tangential direction, but I wish that with language we also transmitted unique "concept IDs" along with each word or phrase that would help to disambiguate what we mean. Like when you see a single word linked in a sentence and you mouse over it to see the URL (or in the case of Wikipedia, the article/"concept" it links to). It would be a feeling like that.

p4lto• 14 years ago

Isn't reverse engineering what hackers are largely about? Taking things apart and figuring out how they work, or does reverse engineering have a more specific definition?

RE to me is not, and has never been, a bad noun/verb though I often see others frowning upon it.

coderdude3• 14 years ago

It depends on which 'hacker' you mean. The 'Hacker News' hacker or 'the movie Hackers' hacker? Though I bet you could shoe-horn reverse engineering into both without any trouble. That's a big part of the problem. People pick which part of the 'hacker' label they want to apply to themselves while discarding the undesirable parts. The end result is several related terms and multiple definitions, often overlapping or contradicting.

klez• 14 years ago

> RE to me is not, and has never been, a bad noun/verb though I often see others frowning upon it.

Perhaps because it was associated with breaking proprietary software and people still retain this image.

At the moment, the department where I work is officially called "Reverse Engineering Department" and I see nothing wrong or illegal in the work I do.

funkah• 14 years ago

We're just people who do a job. I find it distasteful, all this folklore and acting like we are bunch of special, precious gems who need our "flow" and should be allowed to dress and act like mutants. Read the Dale Carnegie book and get over yourself.

99992• 14 years ago

I agree that some of the folklore built up around "hackers" is a bunch of bullshit, but I disagree with some of your assertions. I would never work for a company with a dress code of business casual. It's not that I want to wear comfortable clothes at work (business casual is perfectly comfortable, it just looks horrible), it's that I think dress codes of any kind for most non-client-facing white collar workers are a sign of superficiality and ridiculous control issues on the part of the employer.

I'm also not sure that hacking is "just a job." For some companies and some people it is, but I've done my best to avoid working for anyone that thinks like that. I believe hacking is a creative endeavor, and in general I don't believe any creative person wants to be beholden to capricious and arbitrary rules surrounding their manner of dress. That's an absurd use of authority.

unalone• 14 years ago

You know, reading this article half of me was thinking exactly this – it's so goddamn conceited and selfish to write something that says "treat your hackers like the supermen they are and allow them to do whatever they want whenever they want it or else you are stupid and don't deserve them". But the other half of my was thinking: My God, I need to get this to my boss stat.

I don't really consider myself a hacker, but when I'm sitting in front of a computer I expect to be doing one of two things: either I'm solving problems and stretching my mind, or I'm loafing off. If I'm not given work that involves some sort of interesting challenge, then I'll be spending a big chunk of my time cavorting and goofing around. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing; I spent a month in an intensive eight-hour-a-day writing program where probably five or six hours were spent looking at YouTube videos and Facebooking. The mind needs its down time. But when the idiotic gruntwork piles up, I find it harder and harder to actually do these stupidly simple things. It feels so pointless. I don't have an especially short attention span, but if I'm to spend six hours in front of a computer, I want to spend that time doing something meaningful, or at least creative. If I wanted mindless work, I'd at least like it to be physical or social in nature.

I've been trying to implement a site since August, and it's been an extremely aggravating experience. I had a rough design finished in two days; implementing it took three months, as I had routine task after routine task hurled my way, stopping me from making any progress. After those three months, I presented the site and was promptly told it was no good, the boss didn't like it – even though it'd been sitting in his inbox since my first week on the job. Now I've redesigned it and waited three more months to get extremely rudimentary feedback (on the level of, "you should put a button in that corner"), and now I'm finally allowed to implement it as an actual site.

I'm on the bottom of the list of "people who actually matter" in my workplace, and I'd feel irritating and self-righteous sending this link to anybody, but it nails every single aspect of why I find my workplace so frustrating. Everybody's smart and nice and doing big, important things, but I feel out-of-place and under-utilized. I could be a hell of a lot more productive if somebody even made half an effort to figure out how I work best in a team, but nope, I just sit in a corner and fiddle my thumbs and get told to post links to things on Twitter. (In two months I finish my position here; does anybody have advice on how I'd go about finding a less teeth-gritting employer?)

trustfundbaby• 14 years ago

https://jobpoacher.com/

silentific• 14 years ago

RE: 0.4: "Is there a book on this?"

Rands has a great post on this topic, the "Free Electron". http://www.randsinrepose.com/archives/2005/03/20/free_electr... It starts a bit down the page.

He's also published this in "Managing Humans". There's a link on the blog post. It's a good read. (I am not the author.)

languagehacker• 14 years ago

"Hey I hear there's this things "hackers" can do to make your internet work. But I'm afraid they'll steal my credit card information. Is this article right for me? Also, Friends is still a TV show" -- this article

esmevane• 14 years ago

At odds with many of the comments in this thread, I interpreted the article as satire and was definitely amused.

The fact is that a lot of this is uncomfortably true and there is only a small chance that I would interpret this being said of me IRL as a friendly gesture, as opposed to a sarcastic stab at my character for what I regret may seem to be my failures to communicate normally, or my remote behavior, tendency to obsess, smell and preferred style of dress. One of the small chances that I'd be prepared to accept and face the accusations would be in the realm of satire.

But, oh well - for the longest time, hackers have failed to properly deliver jokes.

For example, from the article:

4.2: My hacker makes obscure, meaningless jokes.

If you feel brave, ask for an explanation. Most of them can be explained. It may take a while, but it may prove interesting.

Kevin Korb's Jokes: Care and Feeding of Your Hacker

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