Why George RR Martins’s Generative AI Lawsuit Will Cost Authors Even If They Win

https://arkavian.com/2023/09/20/why-george-r-r-martinss-generative-ai-lawsuit-will-cost-authors-even-if-they-win/

by sytse • 3 years ago

5 7 3 years ago

And if they lose, big companies get a signal that they can train on copyrighted data, and serve the resulting models, as long as they dont redistribute the models or reveal their "secret" training dataset. They will probably work to obfuscate the copyrighted parts of the datasets.

Meanwhile, open source models and datasets are left out to dry, as they could still be sued. Either legitimately for openly including the copyrighted datasets, or illegitimately when the defendant can't afford to take it to court.

For users, this is a lose-lose lawsuit.

bryanlyon• 3 years ago

Exactly. Everyone except for the companies with the resources to move their training to Japan loses if the authors win.

brucethemoose23• 3 years ago

I meant that its also a loss if the authors lose, as it won't protect open source trainers/datasets!

Either way, I don't like this lawsuit one bit. They aren't arguing over the crux of the problem.

smoldesu2• 3 years ago

Meanwhile, open source models and datasets are left out to dry, as they could still be sued.

How come? If the artists lose the lawsuit, it's probably because AI vendors could prove fair use. From where I'm standing, it looks like it would leave everyone on fairly equal (albeit non-commercial) footing. If anything, it might give Open models an implicit advantage for being non-commercial and inherently novel.

brucethemoose23• 3 years ago

Open datasets may still make the trainers more vulnerable, as I don't think the plaintifs even have proof OpenAI is training on full copyrighted material directly.

But even if thats not the case, small time trainers do not always have the resources to fight a takedown. This could given large entities like OpenAI an advantage over smaller trainers.

richardjam73• 3 years ago

Why trust the opionions from this website? Are they legal experts in copyright?

Why George RR Martins’s Generative AI Lawsuit Will Cost Authors Even If They Win

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